Emasher Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yes Crap art is still art, but thats like saying "100% of hardcore gamers are hardcore gamers." I don't think something like babies party could be considered art. Just like most people wouldn't consider a piece of paper with random scribbles to be art. The Good games are art, even most mediocre games are art, but bad games, just like random scribbles, or really bad singing, aren't considered art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 But there is no criteria for something to be art. Maybe Oot's graphics aren't that great, maybe the story isn't the best ever. But thats not what makes a game art (by itself anyway). Art isn't something that can be defined by the left brain, it is something that your right brain just knows is art. The feelings you get when playing a game make it art. The way the game makers decide to give you these feelings is not important. What matters is the feelings them-self.I find this "just knowing" reason a bit lame, it's really not something mystical. Art is what seperates man from beast. Monkeys know games, they know work, but they don't know art - they don't comprehend. Don't tell me there isn't any high level, intellectual process involved there, because there is. This 'getting a feeling' really only describes to me how you're massively entertained by something, and try to make it art because of it. It's simply not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyBoy Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I'm staying brief because i'm tired. Video games could become art, and there are a few casses which I think break into that area. But far too few games challenge the player like a film can or inspire a player like a fine piece of music. This is because the games industry is still too driven by revenue as opposed to creative drive. This is something I want the gamer's seal to help change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I find this "just knowing" reason a bit lame, it's really not something mystical. Art is what seperates man from beast. Monkeys know games, they know work, but they don't know art - they don't comprehend. Don't tell me there isn't any high level, intellectual process involved there, because there is. This 'getting a feeling' really only describes to me how you're massively entertained by something, and try to make it art because of it. It's simply not. I'm not saying there isn't any hight level intellectual process, I'm just saying we don't understand that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blender Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Braid is beautiful, entertaining and inspiring. It stretches both intellect and emotion, and these elements dovetail beautifully rather than chaffing against each other. Still wondering if games can be art? Here's your answer. 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 No... It's a GAME!!! Art = Crap Game = Fun End of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 No... It's a GAME!!! Art = Crap Game = Fun End of... But you haven't said why games aren't art. You're just saying what you're view is without backing it up here. We could do that all day going back and forth but there would be no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 But you haven't said why games aren't art. You're just saying what you're view is without backing it up here. We could do that all day going back and forth but there would be no point. Music = Music Games = Games Films (movies) = Movies (films) ART = ART My point being... they are what they are; games, films, music don't have to be art. That's just pretentious people (frustrated 'artists') trying to justify their chosen, money making career. The reason they aren't art is because they are! Anything creative isART, all of the above is 'art' but they way it's being spoken about here is just asking "Some games are sooo good/artistic/pretty/beautiful tehy must be art!" So in that sense, like a previous answer of mine. EVERYTHING creative is art, but to say "that is" and "that isn't" is a mute point! Therefore it is not ART as asked in the question! And if you can understand the answer I just gave you're a better man than me! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazza Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Games are definitely art. Not every game is a work of art, but games are an artform. They're conveying something creative through interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blender Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 art are things that are not economically viable unless it is recognised and supported as art (e.g. opera). (gaming, music, films are creative industries) I win the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcj metroid Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I honestly do not give a shit. why did i post? because IM sick of this debate! I can't seem to get away from this.. let me guess another gonintendo link to another article? should gaming be considered an art ? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Music = Music Games = Games Films (movies) = Movies (films) ART = ART My point being... they are what they are; games, films, music don't have to be art. That's just pretentious people (frustrated 'artists') trying to justify their chosen, money making career. The reason they aren't art is because they are! Anything creative isART, all of the above is 'art' but they way it's being spoken about here is just asking "Some games are sooo good/artistic/pretty/beautiful tehy must be art!" So in that sense, like a previous answer of mine. EVERYTHING creative is art, but to say "that is" and "that isn't" is a mute point! Therefore it is not ART as asked in the question! And if you can understand the answer I just gave you're a better man than me! :P That makes alot more sense than your first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pookiablo Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think it just depends on the type of game - Madden and Pro Evo for example are not art, just as watching a Premier League match on the telly isn't art. I suppose you would have to say that games contain artistic elements more than they do represent art themselves. Some games, you could argue are art though - it really depends on the game and how you look at it. For example, what category would you put Mario Kart Wii in? Art, game or something completely different altogether? You can argue these things in so many ways depending on how you look at it. In reference to the article - I personally thought it was awful. The person who wrote it just seemed like they were high on LSD or something at the time, mainly because it was just a splurge of pointless "ideas", rather than a cohesive discussion. Sorry to belittle someone's work, it's not really like me, but it was a very disappointing article I found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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