motion Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Ohh dear.... more crap about how macs are supposedly better than PCs...
KKOB Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 So. PC = variable levels of good/bad software dictated by the manufacturer, Mac = consistent amount of software and 2 trials. Right, thats that bit done. *no thanks motion for random 'you's is stoopid' style comments* So over the course of 3 years say, a typical period between someone buying a new system and feeling the pull of needing an upgrade, which is more cost effective? On a mac, apart from it's professional desktop computer, you can't change a lot under warranty apart from upgrading your memory. Where as on your typical desktop PC your free to swap parts in and out however you want, whenever you can afford to. However, if your not a uber windows literate person you will probably end up with a few problems with your new hardware over 3 years if your upgrading components. This is a further expense and inconvenience if you have to take it to a PC repair shop or similar, pay them to even look at it and again to fix the problem. With a mac, if you get a problem, and are lucky enough to live close to a Apple store you have access to the free genius bar, for them to figure out what's wrong. These are 2 separate points. 1) The cost of having to upgrade over 3 years, PC upgrades are modular usually, and you can use bits from older systems, Macs aren't modular so when it comes time to upgrade you pay for a new system. Which of these are better for the average consumers pocket? 2) When you do upgrade, what happens if you get a problem or error you can't get your head around, or be bothered to try and problem solve? What costs are associated with this for each system?
Caris Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 No offence but i think everyone knew striaght away what this topic would turn into.
Guest Jordan Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Alright guys. Do you want this thread to be locked? I mean, the blantent shit coming out of some people... Anyway, i'll give this thread a couple of days or its being locked. Sorry.
Jasper Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 To be fairly honest, what was wrong about the PC. vs Mac thread anyway? It was just a discussion. But this is about price comparisons and we're looking at added value. We've discussed the OS as a added value, then we're looking at the added applications htat given added value. Now Takeo thries to rais the hardware for it's value. So up untill now it's pretty on-topic, except for those 'this is pc vs mac all over again' whinners who obviously can't think of any good arguments to play a role in the dicussion. Isn't it point to stay on topic? Than why is everyone on this page (except Takeo) straying so far from the topic? Pathetic.
Caris Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Jasper, read the thread. I said it's going Mac Vs PC again because there was a ton of arguments by people that were floating off topic.
Guest Jordan Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Exactly. People aren't going to agree, arguments go round and round going no where, no ones going to change their minds and its one of the reasons why we have seperate console boards, otherwise it'd turn into IGN or Gamespot forums in terms of the amount of pointless flaming. Yes, there is some sensible on-topicness, but the petty arguements undermine all of it.
Jasper Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 To be fairly honest, the last page here is exactly what you are saying: but that's all thanks to you. If everybody is talking about 'not talking about it', then off course they are talking about it. So you guys are constantly saying that it's going off topic even though by saying that, you yourselves are entirely off topic. But that's just one man's opinion. But the price comparison is a nice thread, to be fairly honest. The only problem is that nobody really wants to accept any of our arguments. People have this thing about Apple 'overpricing', even though in comparison they have great hardware for great prices. Buying a mac is like buying an expensive PC. But because there are also cheap-ass PC's for less than 600 euros, people are thinking that macs are expensive. How hard was that one to swallow, people? You disagree? Look at the facts. Yes you can't choose that much what's inside of your mac, but if you opt for a mac it's like buying a high-end PC model. Prices are almost equal. I really don't see why people always stray off. When we just mention something like MacOS (and how great we feel it is) in between the lines somewhere, people are jumping all over us trying to tell us why it ain't. Now let's all enjoy a huge piece of pie and discuss this like a decent book-club. Uhm, forum.
Slaggis Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 To be fairly honest, the last page here is exactly what you are saying: but that's all thanks to you. If everybody is talking about 'not talking about it', then off course they are talking about it. So you guys are constantly saying that it's going off topic even though by saying that, you yourselves are entirely off topic. But that's just one man's opinion. But the price comparison is a nice thread, to be fairly honest. The only problem is that nobody really wants to accept any of our arguments. People have this thing about Apple 'overpricing', even though in comparison they have great hardware for great prices. Buying a mac is like buying an expensive PC. But because there are also cheap-ass PC's for less than 600 euros, people are thinking that macs are expensive. How hard was that one to swallow, people? You disagree? Look at the facts. Yes you can't choose that much what's inside of your mac, but if you opt for a mac it's like buying a high-end PC model. Prices are almost equal. I really don't see why people always stray off. When we just mention something like MacOS (and how great we feel it is) in between the lines somewhere, people are jumping all over us trying to tell us why it ain't. Now let's all enjoy a huge piece of pie and discuss this like a decent book-club. Uhm, forum. That's just not true. I can't be arsed with an argument though so...
Jasper Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 That's just not true. I can't be arsed with an argument though so... See, exactly what I mean? How the hell can you make a decent argument if they just say 'not true', without anything to verify it? Okay, lock the thread - I'm tired of people just wandering around saying 'no' because it's cool. I'm tired of this. Every time a man with a mac opens his mouth, others respond as if we're suicide-terrorrists, soon to explode. No really. They don't even expect us to make a decent argument anymore. I know the misconception that all mac fans are just as avid as Takeo (sorry, dude), but that's not true. Apple isn't perfect and my iBook ceases to function every now and then and I'm sure loads of mac-owners have these problems. just as much as Windows users. But please, for god sake, take my arguments seriously and I will accept your counterarguments if they're true. I'm not a mac fan just saying 'no' because Steve told him to do so. (To put things in perspective, I found the latest Apple-announcement completly stupid and the conference was considerably bad, while Takeo understands this conference as being great (and it appears mostly for the sake of 'it's apple!')). Take the regular people seriously, will you? Ah heck, you can't change this group of (I-will-bleep-this-out-before-I-get-PM-'ed-or-kicked-out) over here, apprantly...
Slaggis Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 See, exactly what I mean? How the hell can you make a decent argument if they just say 'not true', without anything to verify it? Okay, lock the thread - I'm tired of people just wandering around saying 'no' because it's cool. I'm tired of this. Every time a man with a mac opens his mouth, others respond as if we're suicide-terrorrists, soon to explode. No really. They don't even expect us to make a decent argument anymore. I know the misconception that all mac fans are just as avid as Takeo (sorry, dude), but that's not true. Apple isn't perfect and my iBook ceases to function every now and then and I'm sure loads of mac-owners have these problems. just as much as Windows users. But please, for god sake, take my arguments seriously and I will accept your counterarguments if they're true. I'm not a mac fan just saying 'no' because Steve told him to do so. (To put things in perspective, I found the latest Apple-announcement completly stupid and the conference was considerably bad, while Takeo understands this conference as being great (and it appears mostly for the sake of 'it's apple!')). Take the regular people seriously, will you? Ah heck, you can't change this group of (I-will-bleep-this-out-before-I-get-PM-'ed-or-kicked-out) over here, apprantly... Do shutup, please. (Oh and before you say that I am, I'm not against the mac, I want one when I can afford one, my dad has one already. Lock the thread, though I'm sure some other one will pop up in a few days.
Jasper Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Do shutup, please. (Oh and before you say that I am, I'm not against the mac, I want one when I can affored one, my dad has one already. Lock the thread, though I'm sure some other one will pop up in a few days. Again no trace of a single argument.
Sanchez Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 That's just not true. I can't be arsed with an argument though so... Actually, I agree. Do you mind explaining why that isn't true?
motion Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 I'm tired of this. Every time a man with a mac opens his mouth, others respond as if we're suicide-terrorrists, soon to explode. No it's because you and others bore us going on and on and on and on about how the world should revolve around macs, how amazing they/Apple are, how much better than PCs they are etc etc.... It's getting old. We're not jumping down anyone's throat, I'm just sick to fucking death of the constant 'Macs are better than PCs' crap that is spouted on here every single day. Weren't you saying not long ago that every time Takeo opens his mouth on here it's to talk Apple up to obsessive levels? Again, you always seem to change your mind about opinions...
Slaggis Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Actually, I agree. Do you mind explaining why that isn't true? Because buying an expensive PC and buying a mac are two different things. An expensive PC will have more bang for it's buck, in terms of sheer power and gaming etc. There is NO denying that. Whatever price a mac is, you can get a PC with the same specs for cheaper. The again I've never understood comparing macs and PC's in the first place. They are aimed at different people, different tasks.
Jasper Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 No it's because you and others bore us going on and on and on and on about how the world should revolve around macs, how amazing they/Apple are, how much better than PCs they are etc etc.... It's getting old. We're not jumping down anyone's throat, I'm just sick to fucking death of the constant 'Macs are better than PCs' crap that is spouted on here every single day. Weren't you saying not long ago that every time Takeo opens his mouth on here it's to talk Apple up to obsessive levels? Again, you always seem to change your mind about opinions... Oh, and I still say that (don't I takeo?) but that's not what this discussion was about, see? We were just comparing mac vs. pc in pricing range and hardware. We weren't talking about 'how great we were', we were just eliminating a misunderstanding about Macs that says that they're expensive for their prices. Because we have a comparison table here ('hey, the end price is the same for both configurations!') doesn't mean we're trying to say how great macs are. We're trying to say how not-overexpensive they are. And Haggis, did you even read the original article from Takeo? Have a gander over there, will you? before you throw in that comment of yours. The article clearly points out that you do get the same bang for the same bucks. Hell, even more bang for the same bucks. Without that article this entire agument wouldn't be here? Man this seems pointless. Macs are apparantly equally priced as PC's, accept that! And the markets they're aimed at has nothing to do with it. Just because Wii and PS3 are aimed at different markets doesn't mean you can't compare them, now does it? And in the end both want the same market: every frickin' consumer that wants to buy it.
KKOB Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 This is re-god-damn-diculous. Thank you to Jasper for seeing what is the truth, this thread has made a few good points for both corners. Just people like motion banging the drum slagging it off for even mentioning a mac in the same sentence as a windows PC. Least someone apreciated the point of me creating the thread, and it wasn't to stir up another mac vs PC debate, or reach some consensus, it was just to allow people to state points of value in terms of both software, hardware and overall in favour of both macs and PCs. This thread needs locking if only to avoid ***** saying ' this thread is lame PCs rulez' or 'macs shit on pcs' etc. It does get old. This is another case of a discussion coming too early, it happened with the gay/lgbt.sexuality thread, and it's happening here. In a years time, when the PCs users stop bitching and the new mac converts stop evengalising about the gospel according to Jobs, i think we'll be able to have a good discussion. I have tried to steer equal and fair discussion despite my own bias, and keep this interesting, but, alas, it's steer WAAAAY ofcourse. The general aim was to get rid of the false belief that Macs are too much money and see if there was additional value in buying a PC that i was missing. This thread has really really annoyed me today, thanks to motion being his usual forum self ie a fucking ****. But tomorrows another day. . .
Guest Jordan Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Alright. Fuck this, its getting locked. Seriously, will you lot just agree to disagree and get on with things in life? McPhee: Cheers Jordan. I was away for a few days, forgot to tell you guys
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