chairdriver Posted February 27, 2010 Posted February 27, 2010 I kinda hated how nothing was made of the fact Teddy and Billy were boyfriends. It was as thought Marvel felt it was too risky to actually build anything story-wise upon the relationship; it was just there (not even explicitly there, they don't even touch each other) and didn't affect the storyline in any way. I loved the supporting cast the most though. Jessica Jones. Yes.
ReZourceman Posted February 27, 2010 Posted February 27, 2010 Well it was just a relationship. What do you mean by building anything story-wise on it? Like what?
Paj! Posted February 27, 2010 Posted February 27, 2010 Surely it's far better to treat a gay relationship in comic books the same as any other relationship in comics? It would come across as "tacky" or just for the sake of it if they harped on about it.
chairdriver Posted February 27, 2010 Posted February 27, 2010 Well it was just a relationship. What do you mean by building anything story-wise on it? Like what? Most stories are build around a relationship. Spider-Man stories were always characterised by his love-life (most obvious one being "Shit Gwen Stacey is about to die!"). Jean Grey/Cyclops/Emma Frost/Wolverine get alot of page time dedicated to their relationships. etc etc They built upon it more in the YA/Runaways crossover, but in the original arc they might as well be just be friends and the story would be exactly the same.
Paj! Posted February 27, 2010 Posted February 27, 2010 Most stories are build around a relationship. Spider-Man stories were always characterised by his love-life (most obvious one being "Shit Gwen Stacey is about to die!"). Jean Grey/Cyclops/Emma Frost/Wolverine get alot of page time dedicated to their relationships. etc etc Not really. Gwen Stacy's death was a story where the object of his love was involved. (and would be a more appropriate example in a debate about "Women In Refrigerators" syndrome) Spider-Man was married for 20 years or something, his love life never affected the stories there. Bear in mind Jean Grey/Cyclops/Emma/Wolverine et al is part of a reltionship quadrangle spanning 40+ years...there's a lot more pages in that time than a short run like YA.
Dan_Dare Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) I finished YA 1-7 last night. I like how they're doing the gay thing. The fact that it's just character flavor is pretty solid writing if you ask me- after all, a gay relationship is, and should be portrayed as such, unexceptional. There's an argument for them going further though- Clint and Bobbi have been seen waking up in bed together, for example. I assume conservative markets have something to do with that. Clever set up, too. I like how they're really quite shit at being heroes. Am I right in thinking that the series isn't doing anything now? I'd like to see the kids 'graduate' to Avengers status- especially Wiccan and Hulkling, who don't really have any comparable counterparts on the team right now. (Unless Strange or Drumm make the team soon) Edited February 28, 2010 by Dan_Dare
Happenstance Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I didnt realise that New Avengers was being relaunched alongside the Avengers and Secret Avengers series but apparently so:
ReZourceman Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 ......................................Hate pointless relaunches.
Paj! Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) Luke Cage is a Thunderbolt AND a "New" Avenger? Maybe it's just me, but I completely nothing Luke Cage. From what I've read he's been written decently, but it might be because he's so uninteresting "superhero"-wise I've never been interested. No costume/uniform, boring power etc. But then I keep hearing he's so popular. EDIT: Dan; I read issue 1 of Irredeemable. Seems like a cool premise/I've seen it before, but I get the feeling this'll be good. Edited March 1, 2010 by Paj!
ReZourceman Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Maybe it's just me, but I completely nothing Luke Cage. From what I've read he's been written decently, but it might be because he's so uninteresting "superhero"-wise I've never been interested. No costume/uniform, boring power etc. But then I keep hearing he's so popular. Got something against black folk?
Paj! Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 It is ridiculous and as a design choice makes him look silly rather than fear-mongering.
Paj! Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I'm aroused. I wonder what's coming up in th X-verse...I like their current situation. But isn't that copyright shittyness or something?
Happenstance Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Whats actually in the Kick Ass Collectors Edition book?
Dan_Dare Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Ok turns out my postie 'hid' my Kick-Ass package in the waste paper bin. Totally missed the note untill my dad had already put the bin out for collection. Yikes. Anyway! the collectors ed. fancy name for a hardback. There's no real back material to speak of, although they do include all the variant covers (including the ensemble 1-6 ones) which is cool, and an excellent splash page of 'Kick-Ass' greatest hits' which is a montage of brutal close ups of bloodied noses, broken limbs, gunshot wounds and so on from the series. It's genius. Other than that, it's just a really nice trade. Production values are sky high, the paper is lovely and the dust cover is a treat. The only downside is the rubber stamp 'now a major motion picture' on the dress. Oh and Foreword from Rob Liefield. presumably written while wearing a cap backwards.
chairdriver Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 My favourite heroclix dial I've ever dreamt up, for Watchmen's Rorschach.
Happenstance Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 Starting to look like the core Avengers book will be more about the old team again which is good
ReZourceman Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 Am I being retarded, but wasn't Spidey announced as an Avenger.
Happenstance Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 No he was just in the original Avengers image, they did say that wasnt the final lineup
Dan_Dare Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 Honestly, I'd prefer Spider-Man as a 'full' Avenger. Although Spider-Man and Cage are a cute couple.
Paj! Posted March 2, 2010 Posted March 2, 2010 Wait, so is it confirmed that there's gonna be "Avengers" , "New Avengers" and 'Secret Avengers"? I wish they'd retitle "new". They were new 7 years ago.
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