Ronnie

Again, who would buy an ultra powerful Nintendo console mid generation? It would probably sell even less than the Wii U. THAT would be a massive failure. It's pretty sad that people prioritise power over gameplay, I suppose that's why the other consoles are more popular these days.

It would be financial suicide to release a powerful console mid-generation. Ask yourselves, who would buy it?? Not the PS4/XBO hardcore gamers, they already have their established super powerful consoles that play all the latest AAAs and certainly aren't going to fork out money for an identical machine that also plays Nintendo games. The casual market won't touch it, too hardcore and expensive for them. Nintendo fans might do but would probably be pissed off having to spend another £300 on a box a few years after the last one. So you're basically left with a very small market share. It makes no sense. Conversely, releasing a £99 box that Nintendo (having now figured out HD development) can put all their top quality games on, together with the rumoured cross-play with a new handheld... that's a way more attractive mid generation plan. It would appeal to casuals, Nintendo fans AND hardcore gamers looking to play Ninty games on the cheap. Traditional controller, slightly better than Wii U graphics (which the games have proved, is more than good enough), backwards compatibility and cross-play. Personally I think that sounds great. People wanting an ultra powerful Nintendo console just because they think AAA ports will save Nintendo's fortunes need to be realistic and open their eyes. It just won't happen and wouldn't work like that. Gaming has moved on and what makes a Nintendo box special are the Nintendo games.

And what about if you didn't want a shooter or openworld action/RPG? What's left on the PS4? Not much, believe me I've looked. Splatoon, Mario Kart, Smash, Pikmin, Xenoblade and Star Fox are all different gaming exeperiences to each other.

Nope you haven't in the slightest. In no world will anyone convince me that this is a more diverse range of games than on Wii U: http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1763422&postcount=11071 Now I absolutely will admit that the Wii U has a 'been there done it' feel. Not as much as other consoles obviously, but given Nintendo's reliance on established franchises it is there and I'll freely admit it. But genre wise it's major titles span a far greater range.

How does having FIFA, COD and all the other AAAs on Wii U suddenly sell another ten or twenty million units? It wouldn't. Hardcore gamers that don't have an affinity towards Nintendo have moved on. People are missing the point.

There needs to be a pretty big gap between the new handheld (the 3DS, unlike the Wii U does desperately need replacing) and the new console. Releasing them both at the same time certainly isn't ideal from a sales POV.

Same here, the Captain Toad lamp looks fantastic but I'm holding out for the coasters.

Don't make me get that PS4 screenshot out again :P

What's so crazy about it? Seems a very plausible set of rumours to me. Way more than Nintendo suddenly going ultra powerful and expensive.

I have 6000 stars but will pick it up on eBay I think. Too many stars for one thing IMO

Voice chat criticism is fair (if endless and repetitive), criticism about samey games most certainly is not.

A low price point alone certainly isn't what drives demand, but you have to think Nintendo have more than that to make the NX appealing. A crazy good launch line up, being able to play the same games on the go, cross play, cloud storage (DeNA probably helping with this).

How dare we get a bit defensive on a Nintendo board. Clearly a ban-able offense. The problem is Nintendo receive unfair criticism, criticism that could easily be leveled at the competition, but isn't.

Sadly it's become more of a place to whinge about everything they do wrong. Though I do agree with HOT that the separate game threads are quite positive, which says something about the quality of those games more than this place itself.

That's why I don't think they'll bother. I think NX will be very cheap and the ability to play the same game between handheld and home console will be the selling point. Third parties will port their games across if it sells regardless of the amount of power it has, just as they did with the Wii. That sounds like a very smart move. £100 Nintendo console with their great library of games? It'll sell like crazy! It would be utterly stupid for them to try and release a PS4 style console mid generation. Releasing super cheap is a great idea.

Oh good you've said all you need to say about me and now want to talk about other people with issues. Good luck with that. If you're going to keep bringing me up as you did above, don't be surprised when I respond to defend myself.

After seeing Wii only put up the negative Mario Tennis discussion vid I thought I'd put up the much more positive Zelda one that came out a day or two before it. Sounds like after Mario Maker this was the next best received game

It was on topic, the only reason it was derailed was because over-sensitive PS4 fans kicked off and threw a hissy fit. You have to get it into your head that it was in the "General Wii U discussion" thread, by it's very nature you should expect discussion to veer off to the rest of the industry every so often. As for the voice chat stuff, I was getting frustrated that the previous dozen pages of the Splatoon thread were dedicated exclusively to that and not the game itself. No one was adding anything new, it was just the same words over and over. I tried posting trailers or screenshots, zero discussion, it was just "this game needs voice chat!" "Nintendo are pathetic" "If this doesn't have voice chat, I'm not buying it" I brought it up elsewhere once or twice as a mild joke, @Rummy banned me from the thread or gave me a warning. Meanwhile half a dozen other posters were doing the exact same thing, also for a laugh, and obviously received no such warning for baiting. Wii for instance brings it up all the time as an attempt to stir.

It's not really trying to be a space sim, if that's what you're into Elite: Dangerous is the best space sim you can play. This is more of an arcadey kind of experience. Having said that I think the planets could be a little bigger, they're basically the size of a meteor. Minor nitpick though, no big deal.

Different Pokemon, different location, different vague storyline but overall you're playing the same game over and over no? That's why you hear so many people burning out at certain gens and giving up, there's just not enough difference between installments.

The Wii wasn't dead on arrival because it was weaker than PS3 or 360. Nintendo have proved it doesn't need the best specs to make the best games. The only thing it would need XB1/PS4 power for are multiplatform ports, but I still maintain nobody buys a Nintendo console for those. I really think if people are expecting PS4 or XB1 levels of power they're going to be very disappointed. At least with the current regime in charge of Nintendo. They'd be far better off positioning themselves as an affordable second console with a fantastic library of games. The added gimmick of being able to carry on playing the same game on the go will be a huge draw, especially if the price is low.

Neither is releasing the same RPG every generation then remaking them. It's the same game over and over. I don't think portability is that big a deal. People would still have their portable games they could take on the go. A HD openworld RPG with Pokemon sounds amazing, it would absolutely work, even if it was just a single player, which it wouldn't be.

The thought of the world of Pokemon in a gorgeous, online, high def openworld RPG... sorry but that more than justifies losing the portability aspect for one installment. The series needs a bit of a shake up. It would be huge and would certainly sell Wii Us.

I just don't think a super powerful Nintendo consoles gets many sales, the industry has moved on. They're better off going cheap and banking on the hybrid functionality IMO. I don't think third party support on Wii U would have made much of a difference to sales numbers, people buy a Nintendo console to play first party games.

Zelda Maker could absolutely work. Top down, 2D dungeon maker based on the NES game and with 4 art styles: LOZ, ALTTP, Minish Cap, ALBW. Bosses could be from the original NES game. No dialogue or storyline, just a dungeon crawler, with loads of enemy types and basic puzzles.