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If they targetted the same person then he was the one who bonked her on the head? That's why I thought he was a protector, but I'll keep him in mind after more pressing suspects.

I don't even know what we're lynching him for! I thought he's a protector? Possible roleblocker. He does know his mafia actually. Hmm...

Killing someone who isn't who you think they are...like chair....because he was in disguise...could be a negative consequence... On that note, did anyone directly target chair last night?

I noticed the name but then you did the gate thingy. Also I think there's alot of activity in the mafia because alot of the players are now not in more than one or two mafias, whereas before there was the pokemafia which contained a lot of us and our activity was split over the two. There's also more activity simply because the game allows, without there being time limits upon the days. The writeups and the way you work stuff in is fantastic, though.

Possible negative consequences of killing randomly? Why ridiculous and pointless? Yourself and Diageo are under suspicion, it's a test of faith and trust, really. My post didn't contain even just one request either, so I find it interesting how you've responded as if it did. Second, if chair was disguised as ReZ, and Eenuh found out ReZ's name, that surely that makes perfect sense. Both targetted ReZ and got chair, instead? Both are bad, realistically. Also, you're a strange. Also, I'd hardly consider that an 'experiment'. Also, humans are terrible at mathematical reasoning, in particular statistics. Also, correlation is not causation. Also, there's nothing to be drawn from your 'experiment' without some test of statistical significance. Also, you've made alot of assumptions. Also, that post is still being pretty much as annoying as any of the others. ADDIT: Not to be bandwagoning, but Jonnas posted in general mafia to say this night ends tonight(wednesday), I'd personally like a lynch at the end of the day rather than not, so if we can get a solid collective decision going on then it might be helpful? Btw Jonnas, does the number for majority take into account ReZ's disallowance of vote?

Though we know absolutely nothing about his role. What if he had no option but to choose the guise of someone else? What if there was no chairdriver, per se? Just a constant doppelganger master of disguise? I'm going through this game trying to make as few assumptions as I can, by considering any alternatives.

Just wanna say Gentlemen's is rocking, really enjoying it. Definitely feels much better/easier/less confusing being in just one mafia at a time, so I think in future I'm going to save myself for the ones I really really wanna be in.

I wouldn't have answered that, quite a question to ask. mr-paul goes on my list! Something I said previously regarding ReZ and Cube and their mutual backing up of each other. Now knowing that Chair WAS killed by a vigilante, they are both still on my suspicion list. There's a tiny possibility Danny has just played the most awesome ace card and totally bluffed his way through to put suspicion on a lot of people that didn't have it, and it's quite amazing if he is, but I shan't really dwell on that now cos I doubt even he is that awesome. He's said he's a redirector/target swapper and swapped Diageo the last two nights. Peeps, I'll ask you, what are your plans for tonight? Will you use your power again, will you at least not use it on Diageo in order for some of us to try and determine the truth of what is being said? I can't help but suspect you to be the princess from this post, sorry. It offers us little, but I'm putting my suspicion out there. Danny, is there anything you can tell me about the princess? Do you know much/anything about her?

I also recently heard that you can get VirginMedia without getting a phone line(as it is cable it doesn't even run through the phone line, the cable comes up from the street and runs in as co-axial) and in all my experience, they've been really good. I live in a 20Mb area and on a recent speedtest.net I got 17Mbps which is admittedly the best I've ever seen, but I hear with most things running over the BT lines you won't get anywhere near the speeds they promise, averaging out at 2Mbps, though I have nothing concrete to back this up right now and could totally be lying. Also, whilst they have 'traffic management' their advertised policy of traffic management seems rather good, and they have no download limits outside of it. I do believe if you go over the limits set in the traffic management, they simply throttle you to 75% for like 6 hours or something.

Power? Role? Targets? Anything?

I'd like to re-draw Tales's attention to this post of question. ReZ has also posed a request of information to Tales since, and whilst he has posted he has disregarded both beyond saying he's targeted random people and it's offered nothing, which is basically saying nothing at all anyway.

V (This was meant to go first -.-) V I can at least confirm that Danny's traps put me off on the first night, I hadn't seen his mention of traps til I went back to find the info about Diageo, and so I quoted it and asked more about his power because I was interested in it. After the first night I assumed he had just been protected, not that the traps were part of his own power.

I suspected he is, but as I already pointed out, by my very nature I have to essentially suspect that everyone is, but accept with it a possibility of doubt, that leads to at least 4 possibilities when considering any pairwise comparison of two people. I've seen people go hard after people before, also, and strangely survive, also. In fact, I saw it happen with someone who played rather aggressively in doing so. With 4 possibilities, this is assuming he is mafia and you are town. However, he did not, and so it lends to the idea you may in fact both be some mafia, or him a townsperson. First night he protected you=3rd night. I meant the first night out of the two nights he protected/redirected with you as a target. Also incorrect, as I've already stated I may change to gmac but will come gunning for you afterwards if there's no more viable target. It is an unfortunate bias of mafia games that the more active people draw more attention and thus more suspicion for fighting a cause, but it's something I had been bearing in mind as I played and so I was conservative with my votes. However, it can be gone beyond in a sort of triple bluff/negative to excuse one's behaviour or takes suspicion of one's self. If I can't use it as a defense, then you can't use it as an offense. Disregard my playstyle and then give me the reasons you think I'm evil. I can use it however I like, and I did not say you can't use it as a defense, just that I simply won't take it as a defense. Regardless of anything, being a game that is to be played, anyone's approach and attitude, which could be called their play-style, is a perfectly good reason upon which to judge them, surely? I'm not even arguing this to persecute you, I'm attempting to follow other leads, but you keep responding and I can't help but see what I consider faulty logic and faulty reasoning in your posts, and so I feel the need to point it out. The perfect thing to say if one, or both, of them are your mafia allies. I'd lend it more to being one of them, as it gives a more plausible defense to the other. I have my eyes on Tales, also, though.

But you're the only reason besides gmac for inactivity, surely? I already said if you can provide me with a sensible alternative that I will consider it. It's also strange in my mind to need to have a 'play-style', I mean, I know it IS a game and I play them to their full extent, but I don't think I act wildly out of character in doing so. However, a game is a game, so I'll take your point but don't hold it as any sort of defense against voting for you. What are you scared to tell us or reveal? Will you not even tell us a little bit, given a few people have roleclaimed now?

I actually very very rarely go out and eat a meal, we used to as a family but even that's rare now. We had a few at home when my cousin was over from FL recently though, and that was nice. However, just the friday past myself and my friends actually went for an indian(went for an indian on a friday night, maybe not as good as ), down a little place near where the girl who arranged it lives, apparently she's been going there since she was like 16. Anyhow, in the throngs of eltham we sat and dined, and it was really rather nice and grown up! Something we never do! The staff were very nice, some old geez was serving us and I assume he ran/owned the place, but he was very good and entertaining, cracking occasionally silly jokes in an old indian man style way, and he even offered us some stuff on the house at the end of the meal, which was a nice touch. The only slightly disappointing thing was that when we arrived there did seem to be a rather rowdy group of louts on the table over, though they weren't there long enough to properly ruin our night. Only downside is I'm now £25 poorer than I was before Is...is it euphemism or not euphemism?!?!

Have you revealed anything about your nightpower? Will you? This is a rather big thread, and I keep missing information.

You know that isn't a fair and valid defense :P Also, I don't like the whole lynching someone to see if they're good and reverse deduce from there, but if we sit and lynch no one it pushes us closer and closer to minority as the mafia can kill every night. IF we lynch, we do run a risk of hitting a town, but also we have a chance of hitting mafia, there's 0%(assuming no vigilante) of hitting mafia if we don't lynch. Is this arguing on the possibility that ReZ is mafia? Because I've already said why that isn't a valid defense. If you were mafia and he was town, that is more against you. He is town just because he is defending you? Is that *really* sensible logic in a mafia game? If he is town then he doesn't know who is and isn't town, and could be defending you blindly. If he is mafia he could be defending you to get you on his side. If you are mafia and he is town, then that holds, if you are both mafia then it implies you are both town and protects both of you. The only of those possibilities that hold you innocent are of no use until we know that for sure either of your alliances. The Peeps protected you because everyone is falsely accusing you? Was everyone falsely accusing you when he protected you the first night? AND the second night? Why would he protect you two nights in a row if he was town, or if you were town, or if you weren't both mafia? The majority of discussion surrounding you came up AFTER the first night you were protected/switched with MadDog and a few of us had targetted you, iirc. Your traps, Danny? May I ask more about you?

Oh Raining, you're a girl after my own heart! I'd always pegged you as a winter lady though, maybe because of your slightly weatherly username. I love love love the summer, I don't think that even despite my comforts can I be too hot, and I certainly wish much more in winter that I was boiling hot than I do in summer that I was freezing cold. Don't get me wrong, I kind of like winter and all, in the way that it's that friend of yours that is always there when you don't want them to be but you've known them so long you've just got to like them, plus they've got christmas as their killer app and you don't want to be doing away with the drink and numerous presents, you just wish you could do it without them. I must say, yesterday was quite possibly the first true proper winters day that I have felt, it was cold to my bones, my toes froze even just walking the less than five minute journey from the bus to the front door of work! I hated it! There's nothing you can do, and it's so much more uncomfortable than being just a little bit too hot, when you're that hot you're too exhausted and fatigued to feel it truly like you do when the wind blows all against you and you try to man through it! At least the summer is constant, whereas the bitter wind comes in spontaneous lashings that tense your entire body up when you don't expect it! However, just like that old friend I can't ignore, I recognise its face in a rather nostalgic way, and there's something that harks me right back to when I was younger and discovering how awesome life was, that I always get this strangely brief taste of, as it were, whenever I'm heading off for a night out not even that late in the evening but all is dark, and it's a little bit wet and a tiny bit bitter, and it makes me smile. Then there's the snow! The snow is the best, it's better than rain and I wish we never had rain in winter, I'd much rather the cold dry snow to the horribly annoying rain, if only it didn't drag our poor little country to such an awful standstill that I cannot afford to get the buses to join my friends who are playing inside the parks The only tip that I might offer is that if you have a double duvet you lay it flat upon the bed, then lie inside just one half of it, and wrap the other around you so you are like a little pig inside a blanket, it can be so awesome on a cold winter's day.

Btw, what's Tales up to? Do we know much about him? Also, ReZ, whilst you can't vote, who WOULD you vote for, if you could?

Have you a better target for me? Have you not yourself taken the same view on aggressive players in other games? The argument about ReZ does not hold, because anyone could be mafia and so I have to suspect nearly everyone, and so just suspecting ReZ and you persecuting him also, does not rule him out, especially as if you are mafia, then you know he is not. I could be wrong about either, both, or neither of you, and will not know until the game ends or you both die. There was confusion over these pills you gave Nintendohnut, also, how have they helped the town? If you ARE town, then how can you be sure who is and isn't town to know you're definitely helping them? You've been protected from any powers twice, and this could be both you and Peeps as mafia ensuring you have a fair alibi. Can you fault any of this reasoning of mine?

I also didn't follow up on The Peeps straight away because I wanted to check that Jonnas hadn't accidentally made a mistake and left him off the list in my PM.

It was quite vague, but it was hardly enough to go on at the time, and not enough to be properly suspicious nor get a lynch off of, so I thought I'd wait and watch you and see if it led to anything, but I've given up on that now as it seems we're all going nowhere. I still think you're mafia, though. I wanted to do it without becoming any target for the mafia, but I'm giving up trying to be too smart about this. And no, Diageo, I don't care to rethink. Your attitude does make me rather suspicious and everything else is so murky I'm not sure what to go with. If Jonnas calls time on the day then I'll probably change to gmac, but I'm coming straight after you next, unless a better target presents; I don't think we really have any at the moment? No it's not. Who did you target that night everyone was saying they targetted you, and what result did you get? This was when Ell got the same result, that you targetted yourself MadDog. I thought Ell might have had the same power as me and been mafia, so I asked him later, but then I concluded he was a normal tracker(in the sense of seeing who someone targets, rather than who targetted someone like I do), and tracked you.

Dammit, I can't read. Yeah I get you now, it swaps them both rather than just one. I guess I'll come forward with my power anyway. I'm a tracker, or rather a reverse tracker, and so whoever I target, I find out who targetted them, and I've targetted Diageo the last two nights but obviously did not get a Diageo and so I was suspicious of him. It's obviously also how I knew you didn't target him, per se, but everyone else who said they had, had. I thought when you said that you did that you were jumping on the bandwagon to disguise your own actions of the night as it seemed so many people, including MadDog himself, had targetted MadDog.

What is incorrect that nobody noticed. I'll go back and find my posts referencing you, and the post where I said I knew someone lied. Did Ell not target Diageo last night though? So does this mean he targetted himself? I am so confused. I didn't mean to ignore your posts, but I didn't recall seeing you say you switched Ell with Diageo, just that you targetted Diageo. Does it work in a way of swapping them both, in the sense of who targets A gets B, and who targets B gets A, or whoever targets A gets B and whoever targets B gets B also? If it is the former(which I get from your post), then I'm curious as to what Ell got in his PM from his power.