Sheikah

Yeah, there's a little bit of a learning curve and I think the game genuinely wants you to learn the locations of things rather than rely on precise maps. For instance, the crystal warping (aethernet) won't show you where on the map you'll warp as you hover over the destination - rather you end up learning which crystal is near which facility, and in doing so learn the layout of the towns and such. What's your character's name by the way?

A mafia game is not normally played like this, as in no night kill and no actions, so a different method to tackle a different kind of game :p. Also it wasn't necessarily RNG - any townie about to be lynched could effectively give whatever target they wanted, which is probably what you did yourself. I definitely would say that the RNG plan is probably not something Mafia would want to propose as it could so easily backfire for them and limits their influence, and anyone willing to go along with the plan I think should have been just as credible to gun for as me. I think it's also better to do this RNG tactic at least for D2 rather than letting a random (potentially scum) person pick a target with no real reason, since reasoning is still rather weak at this stage (the D1 lynch felt pretty much a token lynch unlikely to reveal much). The plan may as well not have existed on D3 as I would have lynched you anyway based on your hostility to me. I will say, it's very hard to see someone as Mafia when, in your own eyes, they are the only person who seems to be correctly deducing your alignment and backing lynches of people who seem to be acting rather crazy (that's how you felt towards to me :p). For that reason, he didn't really appear Mafia to me on the same level as anyone else, apart from maybe his suggestion of Tales to lynch (but that being D1, it didn't seem to have much substance to it). Later on I also opted to go for Rummy for reasons similar to those that could have led me to lynch ReZ (quietness, and something being a bit off), overlooking Cube who I thought was behaving rather like you. Again, Peeps's willingness to lynch either Cube or Rummy, at least one of which seemed to me to likely to be Mafia, added to my trust of him. That, and he was as collective as he normally is when playing town. Well done Peeps. I certainly felt like Paul was fence sitting earlier on, but as with most Mafia games it's usually your prime suspect that drives your play and sometimes your downfall, despite who else you might want to follow up with. Ah well.

The trouble with suspicions is that the Mafia can just provide them, and have an advantage due to having 3 players. I find it unlikely town would have rallied to suspicion lynches as easily due to the lack of information - think about normal games, where it's usually a cop result or something particularly damning that really drives a lynch. I was also getting vibes from people that didn't match up to their alignment, so I honestly believe Mafia would have won that way too. And that last part there's no doubt - with hindsight we can say categorically that in this instance RNG did not work and any other plan would have had a better chance. Still, the odds are reasonable it could work on another occasion.

Unfortunately the alternate route to randomness also failed miserably. When we started trying to vote people based on suspicion I was lynched, and I wanted Rummy lynched. Maybe the break from Mafia meant we changed/forgot our style a little as both me and Cube were saying how people didn't appear town, etc.

The percentage isn't based on a single day, it's a cumulative effect (as in the more days you RNG, the more chance you have of hitting scum). Nobody should be RNGing on the last day, but RNGing on D2 and D3 means a nearly 60% chance overall of hitting a single mafioso, ie. town favourable. But we had bad luck. In which case you would have lynched me. :p You and Jonnas firmly believed that coming up with the plan for some reason meant I was Mafia (even after I pointed out the town favourable stats), meaning it was very hard for us to look at anyone else. I was having to fight my corner then Jonnas was having to fight his.

Damn, I did think in the end you were probably just being stubborn like Jonnas. RNG for one day would have only been a 33% chance to strike Mafia and therefore more likely to help scum. No good! Either way, your target after RNG was me so it most likely wouldn't have made a difference. :p

@Fierce_LiNk If you haven't got it yet, The Last of Us Remastered is £29.97 on GameStop. @Shorty you on XIV yet?

Haha, well in that case, we would have just ignored what they said. :p Very cool game @Yvonne, interesting to see other town tactics people have used in this.

It's a shame, for the plan to work we really needed two things. A Mafia target suggestion (which unluckily never happened), and complete town backing (which we didn't have, but could have had). If we had both, we could have watched the scum find ways to abandon the plan as soon as their teammate was suggested, which is I guess what some people saw in Cube and Jonnas.

Since/before any console but the Wii.

No we shouldn't! Jonnas was on a course to kill me! Without doubt the most frustrating townie for me and caused me to suspect him massively. The plan didn't work but such is randomness - as the stats showed we had a decent chance of landing on scum but it just didn't happen. I know what you mean by the plan should have been abandoned because it didn't work out, but at the stage he was against it we didn't know that...

Hahahaha whaaaat. Peeps you cunt.

It's a real shame I think. Nintendo need someone less conservative, somebody actually capable of hauling Nintendo into the 21st century and giving the core gamers more of what they want.

lol @Cube and @Jimbob. Fools if you're town. :p In saying that, looks like it might not have been Rummy then! By the way this game is insane. With no actual information it's really difficult to work out who is Mafia, especially when people are behaving a little off. I suspected Paul and definitely thought Cube, but the fact Cube was like a clone of Jonnas put me off. Not that it mattered anyway...we got unlucky with the RNG and Jimbob (I'm gonna guess he was the townie) basically put zero effort into the game (apologies if you were actually scum). Cube lynch couldn't have happened regardless.

The argument is not a good one as the proposition of the plan is sound. That's the problem I have with you - you act as if proposing this plan is something a mafioso would do, when it actual fact it favours finding Mafia within 2 days. It's just that in this instance, the RNGd targets were against the odds. Sometimes the less likely thing happens, as it can in any Mafia game. In saying that, Mafia have been on the lynches to put them through. That's a given. Rummy is behaving like a follower (maybe a follower in a scumteam?), like you say, which strikes me as a little odd as Rummy is often very outspoken.

No, I wouldn't, as you are likely Mafia and Jimbob may also be, or just giving his usual performance (let's be honest). If Rummy was town then I'd say the same thing - I know I'm town so the lack of a hammer is damning. None of this matters anyway as your case against me is laughably shallow. You are voting me on the grounds of proposing a plan which has statistically been shown to favour sniffing out Mafia in a couple of days (yet here we were unlucky). The fact two townies were proposed is completely independent to anything I have said as they were suggested be confirmed townies. Worse still, Rummy has gone along with the plan entirely; the plan you so detest, yet shock horror; you feel no inclination to vote for him. I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm saying this is who I choose. In a game where we have to pick someone I am opting for Rummy. If people vote with me I know there is at least a chance, but if I go then I know the game is over. @Mr\-Paul if you cast a vote first then Rummy will be on 3 votes, such that if Mafia add another vote to me then at least Rummy will be up for lynch.

Actually only 2 town lynches due to the plan (D1 was not orchestrated by my plan). And the two townies lynched were given as targets by confirmed townies. How the frack is that my fault? Come on Jimbob, if you are actually town then put some thought into it.

@Mr\-Paul @The Peeps @ReZourceman @Jimbob I would like us to vote Rummy based on what I said before. No RNG this time since we don't have one, but the chance of hitting scum is pretty high and he's lynched every townie so far and not acted quite himself. No one is above suspicion right now, even people who seem to be most co-operative could be Mafia trying to get me on side. Either way...action is needed here.

The Wii U also has a lot of games out now, whereas X1's only really killer game so far is Titanfall. When you bear that in mind as well as the Wii U having been out an extra year, it's really not impressive at all.

I'd prefer we went with Rummy, purely because I think Cube might be being a bit daft like Jonnas was. Cube has taken pretty much the same stance as Jonnas and Jonnas was town, so I'd rather lynch someone who has been backing the lynches first and also someone who isn't quite their usual self. Rummy often likes to break things down and assess them and won't necessarily always go with the flow, and it seems here he folded a little too easy. Of course, I'm not saying Cube is off the hook but you can probably take it that I'm either an expert actor or me and Cube really are on different sides, so hopefully my word on me suggesting not to kill him means something right now. You see, the way you're so certain that we're Mafia I find a little unnerving. I'm actually not certain enough to vote you right now, and am going for Rummy instead. But you don't think a Rummy lynch is valid? Bear in mind he has 100% backed the RNG plan like I did, and voted on them. And you won't add a vote to that?

This kind of crap is just inflating the topic, let's stop it. Come on people, either get behind a Rummy lynch or speak up.

We should be very wary of lynch trains here. Majority is four, so Mafia need only ONE town vote placed erroneously to hammer. If Mafia don't jump on the lynch of me within the next day or so we can reasonably guess that Cube is Mafia and fishing for town support (because if Cube is town, the Mafia will only need to add their votes to my lynch win without any additional help). Likewise, people could try to hammer Rummy, but the comment Rummy made about holding off voting me sounds almost like he could add a vote to me (ie. he could be Mafia waiting for a townie to vote me) should the opportunity arise.

Cube, stop throwing irony clusterfucks. If you lynch me, you do end the game, because then town are down to 3 and the Mafia wins.

The more you say things like this, the more reason we have to lynch you.

Hey give me a shout when you are up and running, I should be on this weekend.