JetSetWilly

I would expect the price and date to be confirmed at TGS in September. As for price. Well, with Zelda and Metroid at launch Nintendo, for me personally, can pretty much name their price. They're giving me the content I want at launch and I will pay what I need to pay to get it. Don't count on it. In an interview on eurogamer they've said "don't throw away your GCN controllers just yet".

According to IGN, having interviewed Retro, Corruption is a Wii launch title. http://uk.revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707486p1.html Zelda and Metroid at launch. How can I not buy it?

I thought it looked like a Cube game. Nintendo have said that better graphics is a given on the next-generation, it is not noteworthy. However, neither Metroid, Zelda or Mario looked like something the Cube couldn't produce. I expected there to be some sort of obvious improvement just not on the scale of the 360/PS3. Yet every single game looks current-gen (even Red Steel). I loved MP1/2 so no doubt I'll get this. But at the moment I'm disappointed both with the MP3 visuals and Matt Cassamassina's hands-on review.

I was slightly disappointed with what I saw. I didn't really get a sense of newness. It looked very Sunshine to me. I expect the newness comes from the way it controls but since I can't comment on that I remain far more excited about New Super Mario Bros on the DS (where the newness for me is not having played the original).

I spotted that earlier today on IGN and posted it in the general chatter thread (and pm'd Tphi and Jordan). Good news, if it doesn't get overshadowed by Resident Evil 5.

Has nobody picked up on the fact that Reggie said [of there being two versions of Zelda released]: "Here in the Americas, Nintendo will launch two different versions." If all territories are getting two versions why specifically mention the Americas region? I don't want two versions as it gives me a reason not to buy a Wii at launch.

That Zelda scan looks rather like it's had a Wii graphics upgrade. Here's hoping it's now exclusive to Wii.

Apart from the obvious Resident Evil 4 I would say Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. I'm on my second playthrough right now and have racked up a total of 90 hours+ gameplay. If you have the time to invest it is simply awesome.

Head over to http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64274 Cube figures, as you would expect, make for depressing reading. btw, in the comments page I asked about Resi 4 on Cube/PS2. EG staff responded that PS2 outsold Cube by 2:1. Not that impressive considering how many PS2s there are, the exclusive PS2 content/limited edition/lower price-point.

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What Matt actually says is: "By the way, I'm pretty sure I know what the other secret feature is. Just thought I'd throw that out there. " Which means, based on information he has been able to get hold of that he thinks he has deduced what the secret is. If he knew for certain he would not say "I'm pretty sure", he would say "I know". He did tell us that we wouldn't have to wait till E3 to see pictures of a Revolution game. The appearance of Red Steel vindicates him on that. However, it's a pointless comment by him. If he has worked it out he can't either tell anyone or prove it so no-one will believe him so why even mention it (other than to get cheap hits on his blog)? I don't think it really matters what the secret actually is. The fact that there is one means everyone's pumped for Nintendo at E3 and that's the important thing.

What about http://www.eurogamer.net ? It's never exactly bursting with Revolution info but I like their editorial style and it has a comments page on each article like the old cube-europe ones where there's always some good banter to be had.

Pretty tenuous stuff. Citing the Wavebird controller in support of the theory is flimsy to say the least.

I think it's more likely that "Blue Wave" is actually a reference to the "Blue Ocean" strategy that Nintendo have repeatedly stated is the thinking behind the Revolution. Calling it "Blue Wave" would make it sound like aftershave.

There's nothing to stop them releasing it as a Revolution launch title on GameCube discs since Revolution will take both.

Agreed. I just can't see them releasing it before the Revolution launch. Which means they'll promote it the other way round to what we think currently. That's all I'm saying really.

I don't see why you treat the idea so feciously. We know Zelda is for the most part coded as GameCube game. We know that Revolution doesn't emulate GameCube since you can boot from GameCube discs. We have countless pieces of information saying how easy it is to develop for Revolution cos it's the same as the GameCube but with more oomph. We know the game isn't coming until the Revolution launch window. We know it will use the Revolution controller. And yet you treat the idea, which is no more outlandish than anything you've suggested, with disdain. And why are you cataloging Xbox 360 games when you told us all you'd sold it? Or have you bought another one?

Why? Which bit?

Xbox 360 is a completely different architecture to the original Xbox so it's not even a sensible comparison. And unless you've had your head in the sand for the last few months you'll know that the Revolution architecture is so similiar to GameCube that people have been told to develop on the Cube and spec up. Hell, even the first dev kits were Cubes with hardwired Revolution controllers. You scoff now. Let's just see on 9th May shall we.

Option 4 - It will be a Revolution title playable on GameCube.

I don't think that it is as black and white as that, certainly not for me at least. People may [wrongly] surmise from my posts in this thread that I am a graphics whore. Let's take Resident Evil 4 on the GCN. The gameplay is astonishing and the visuals are breathtaking but I didn't appreciate quite how much those visuals contributed to the game experience till I played it on a mates PS2. This was on a massive Sony Bravia HDTV. The first thing that was obvious (after I'd stopped laughing that the cut-scenes were ripped straight from the Cube version) was the lack of visual polish. Then add to that what I assume are limitations of an LCD tv - fuzzy image, blurring, poor contrast ratios and unbelieveable ghosting. And then for good measure there's the clumsy way the game plays on the PS2 controller. This was not the RE4 I had raved about and harangued him for months into buying. It was a mere shadow of its former self. My concern, especially with ports from PS3/360, is that Revolution has a great deal of potential to produce the same results. Reading these specs, taking onboard everything people have said, it is still difficult not to be disappointed. Graphics aren't everything, but they can make a good experience into an amazing one. Ideally you need graphics and gameplay - once you start to make sacrifices the whole experience suffers. May 9th can't come soon enough.

The unfortunate thing is that the low-level of detail we're going into here will never be discussed by the overwhelming majority of people who will buy a next-gen console. You go into GAME today, and there's an Xbox 360 hooked-up to a HDTV running Ghost Recon. And it looks incredible. When Revolution comes out, if you go into GAME is that going to be hooked-up to a standard tv? Running stuff that does not look anywhere near as good as Ghost Recon or Oblivion? I would expect Nintendo sales-reps will want the Revolution to be situated as far away from the Xbox 360 as possible to avoid comparison of the most obvious detail - the visuals. If people get the chance to use the controller maybe they'll buy into it. But if there's a demo pod it'll be at the back of the store and they will have to walk past the stunning looking 360 visuals to get there.

That isn't my reasoning though. I haven't said "perception is based on power". I've said that perception dictates who wins. These low specs foster a negative perception alongside the other baggage that the Nintendo brand carries with it. I think that with this generation the gulf in power is going to be so great that it will contribute far more to peoples attitudes than previously.

From Matt's article, five paragraphs in: "However, it's important to remember that there is no way to accurately gauge the performance difference between GCN's PowerPC-based architecture and the the Intel-based CPU of Xbox. Further, even if we could, these numbers are only one part of the equation."

But that's my point, it's all in the perception. People were pumped for PS2 so much so that a year later a more powerful GameCube and Xbox were but bothersome flies. The trend is whichever the public thinks (or is led to believe by adept marketing) is the best is the winner. Weak specs like this breed a negative perception in the core market and they are the ones Nintendo desperately need to be buying the console first. It's all very well relying on Nintendo die-hards to buy it - but we are in the minority. If the core market turns its back on the Revolution the new market will never see it.