Cube Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 The PS2 sold amazingly well without being for the new "Casual" audience so i think there's plenty of space for the Wii to move into in the non casual market. It sold amazingly well because it WAS for the "casual" audience. It just meant a different thing back then.
jammy2211 Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 It sold amazingly well because it WAS for the "casual" audience. It just meant a different thing back then. Exactly. You think GTA sold 15 million copies by attracting dedicated gamers? Not a chance.
Zell Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Metroid won't, it will be overshadowed by Halo 3, which is a shame. SSBB will have an impact methinks, I believe Melee outsold Halo (CE not 2).
mcj metroid Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 yes brawl and galaxy will have massive effects i mean look at the sales of mario party 8. imagine the sales of a GOOD mario game:)
dannbrownn Posted September 3, 2007 Author Posted September 3, 2007 yes brawl and galaxy will have massive effects i mean look at the sales of mario party 8. imagine the sales of a GOOD mario game:) That is an excellent point!
theguyfromspark Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 It sold amazingly well because it WAS for the "casual" audience. It just meant a different thing back then. Which i why I placed the word "New" before the word "Casual" . I think the people buying the Wii now are different to the people buying GTA3 back in the day. Once some more traditional games come along, such as Mario and the like, they will attract more of the old "Casual".
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 That is an excellent point! Are you being sarcastic? It seems Wiis are selling in vast quantities at present due to the party-like, family-fun games available; Mario Party is one of them. Now if a lot of people really bought a Wii to play those sort of games, there is a slight chance a grande Mario adventure or a space-age first person shooter might not be their cup of tea.
mcj metroid Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 i have to admit mario party combines mario fans with thenon gamers. it's a perfect fit. King V may have a point here but then mario party wasn't a very good game and that would put a LOT of mario fans off.Non-gamers then would be more likely to buy brain acedemy because its cheaper and what not. Hmmm time will tell. i expect mario galaxy to by far outsell mario party though.
Cube Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 It seems Wiis are selling in vast quantities at present due to the party-like, family-fun games available; Mario Party is one of them. Now if a lot of people really bought a Wii to play those sort of games, there is a slight chance a grande Mario adventure or a space-age first person shooter might not be their cup of tea. The DS has proven that "non-gamers" (@mcj: I don't quite get the term non-gamer when referring to a type of person who plays games) love Mario platformers.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 The DS has proven that "non-gamers" (@mcj: I don't quite get the term non-gamer when referring to a type of person who plays games) love Mario platformers. But the DS is in a league of its own. Handheld performances can't really be translated to home consoles because both are played in different patterns. Mario galaxy is not your simple New Super Mario Bros. game.
jammy2211 Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Are you being sarcastic? It seems Wiis are selling in vast quantities at present due to the party-like, family-fun games available; Mario Party is one of them. Now if a lot of people really bought a Wii to play those sort of games, there is a slight chance a grande Mario adventure or a space-age first person shooter might not be their cup of tea. What about the 4 million Twilight Princess owners, or 1.5 million people who bought Super Paper Mario? Or 1 million that bought Red Steel? Sure enough stuff like Mario Party 8 is selling great too, but it sold great on the GameCube too so I don't think that's a fair indication of whether the Wii is really riddled entirely with casual gamers. (Unless the GameCube was a causals console? :P). People will buy Wii's just for the combo of Super Mario Galaxy / Smash Bros / Mario Kart / Metroid anyway, it's certainly what happend with the GameCube, just on top of having the typical NIntendo userbase, it appears they're extending it with other types of gamers. It's not exactly like the Wii has less 'gamer games' then the GameCube had, is it? :/.
theguyfromspark Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 I think it's great that the Wii is creating all these new audiences, i sometimes think of most consoles being similar to a TV with only 3 channels, Sci-Fi channel, Cartoon Network and an action movie only channel. Hopefully as the different audiences expand we'll see other channels appearing offering other types of games, alongside the existing channels and appreciate the variety of playing a game that isn't a sci-fi shooter or a cartoonty adventure all the time. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 What about the 4 million Twilight Princess owners, or 1.5 million people who bought Super Paper Mario? Or 1 million that bought Red Steel? Sure enough stuff like Mario Party 8 is selling great too, but it sold great on the GameCube too so I don't think that's a fair indication of whether the Wii is really riddled entirely with casual gamers. (Unless the GameCube was a causals console? :P). People will buy Wii's just for the combo of Super Mario Galaxy / Smash Bros / Mario Kart / Metroid anyway, it's certainly what happend with the GameCube, just on top of having the typical NIntendo userbase, it appears they're extending it with other types of gamers. It's not exactly like the Wii has less 'gamer games' then the GameCube had, is it? :/. Firstly, I am happy that we could discuss issues in a sober state of mind. Twilight princess was a marketting ploy...A GC game purposely released for the Wii launch and before its native GC version. Ofcourse, being a Zelda game it will sell well - these things don't come every six months. For along time, in my opinion, to this very day, TP is still the best game available on the Wii, hence it selling well. Theres not really much of a choice, if you have a Wii (whether you are a "casual" gamer or not) you buy TP just for the sake of its great reviews, the advent of using the Wii as a "sword" (and lets face it, people were very looking forward to that) and the fact that its Zelda. Some of the above probably apply to Red Steel as a launch title - look at its advert, it was full of Wii-remote swinging, mimicking swords and the like. I agree with you on some stances (gasp!), but IMO, the GC in its first 8 months did have more "gamer games" than the Wii, as really that was all that was there, give or take a few Disney tie-ins. I can remember; Luigi's mansion, Wave Race, Rogue Leader, Pikmin, Melee even Mario Sunshine and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle were worthy "gamers games". But thats just MY OPINION, so don't lynch me.
jammy2211 Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Firstly, I am happy that we could discuss issues in a sober state of mind. Twilight princess was a marketting ploy...A GC game purposely released for the Wii launch and before its native GC version. Ofcourse, being a Zelda game it will sell well - these things don't come every six months. For along time, in my opinion, to this very day, TP is still the best game available on the Wii, hence it selling well. Theres not really much of a choice, if you have a Wii (whether you are a "casual" gamer or not) you buy TP just for the sake of its great reviews, the advent of using the Wii as a "sword" (and lets face it, people were very looking forward to that) and the fact that its Zelda. Some of the above probably apply to Red Steel as a launch title - look at its advert, it was full of Wii-remote swinging, mimicking swords and the like. I agree with you on some stances (gasp!), but IMO, the GC in its first 8 months did have more "gamer games" than the Wii, as really that was all that was there, give or take a few Disney tie-ins. I can remember; Luigi's mansion, Wave Race, Rogue Leader, Pikmin, Melee even Mario Sunshine and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle were worthy "gamers games". But thats just MY OPINION, so don't lynch me. I still can't see the Wii Sports / Wii Play crowd ever going near Zelda, or Red Steel. I guess it's finding the line between casuals who play stuff like Zelda, GTA, Halo etc and the ones who supposedly are buying all these minigame compilations. It still bodes well though, that if 4 million people buy Zelda then Nintendo's other big franchises are going to sell well. Also, the above could apply to Rayman Raving Rabids, which sort of nulifies another game which is supposedly 'evidence' of casuals on Wii. In the first 8 months from what I remember the GameCube did have more gamer games (my memory is iffy), but I think there are only two Nintendo franchises (which sold well on GC) which haven't got wii sequels annouced. (PIkmin and Star Fox, both are going to happen in the end). By the end of the year, the Wii will have Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, Fire Emblem and Battalion Wars, which sort of turns Wii vs GameCube comparison on it's head. (Well, not in Europe, but it still shows where some of Nintendo's loyalties still are.) It's worth remembering our idea of the GameCube line up is a bit of a demented one, cause we got the GameCube 6-9 months later then North America and Japan, so it had already built up quite a library before it even launched here.
Cube Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 I agree with you on some stances (gasp!), but IMO, the GC in its first 8 months did have more "gamer games" than the Wii, as really that was all that was there, give or take a few Disney tie-ins. I can remember; Luigi's mansion, Wave Race, Rogue Leader, Pikmin, Melee even Mario Sunshine and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle were worthy "gamers games". As opposed to Zelda: TP*, Red Steel, Excite Truck, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Resident Evil 4, Eledees and Heatseeker? * (It was released on Wii first, so it's the GC version that counts as a "port", also it started on GC, the gameplay was changed for the Wii version, and most of these changes were later ported to the GC version so in that respect the GC version is still a port)
mcj metroid Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 The DS has proven that "non-gamers" (@mcj: I don't quite get the term non-gamer when referring to a type of person who plays games) love Mario platformers. i meant a person that would not normally play games but the game wouldhave to be simple enough for someone to get into.. Like your gmother or father etc. mario party i would say is one of those games whereas mario galaxy isn't
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 * (It was released on Wii first, so it's the GC version that counts as a "port", also it started on GC, the gameplay was changed for the Wii version, and most of these changes were later ported to the GC version so in that respect the GC version is still a port) Well, to each his own. Funny you didn't mention anything about Resi 4.
Cube Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Well, to each his own. Funny you didn't mention anything about Resi 4. Resi 4 is an improved port. Much like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Resi 4 is an improved port. Much like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was. Tou..che. ;p
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