Yvonne

I would be in favour of a mens gripes thread - someone could make one? But this only seems to come up when there's a thread about womens issues, and in an otherwise absent and uncharacteristically grumpy way. It's like when I was a kid - I never wanted to play with the basketball, until my sister started playing with it, then I was like "no, I want it back, it's mine, why do you get to play with it, no fair!" A more clear way of saying what I mean is: I would agree more, but men's rights only seem to come up when arguing against womens rights, or at least criticising the way that women choose to express their dissatisfaction with the sexism they experience in their lives. It's not their responsibility to say "but misandry also exists" every time they want to say "this thing that happened to me was bullshit". If I saw a mens rights issue come up in a context other than this, it would be super

Yes exactly! being told to "man up" is really sexist. But it's actually usually men who enforce it (in my experience). Some women too, but the point is the problem is systemic, not "one side" versus the other. As much as I can, I like to avoid framing things as women vs men because it excludes people who are neither, and it's never really a helpful way to look at things. If you look on that site there's instances of people complaining about other women being sexist too.

I would say that Jay's response to it is valid and his own, but if he expected another man to react the same way, I would have problems with that. Also it's really not helpful to perpetuate the feminists-who-will-cut-your-dick-off trope ( famously lampooned by Kate Beaton AKA the best person in the world ). This is in itself a double standard, because earlier you were saying that you thought the site perpetuated the myth of angry feminists.

nothing I say is original...

That's a very interesting question gaggle, I'd like to see what people answer! The most annoying thing I experience as far as gender expectations go is probably to be expected to be overly sexual, to be constantly on the look out for someone to mate with, and be seen as less of a person because I am single. I'm not a parent, so I don't experience any of that mess of potential crap.

depending on what type of sexism you're looking it, it will be a generally more everyday experience for women. While it is experienced by everyone, it's in different ways for everyone, especially when you include the finer points of gender, race, sexuality. I for example, encounter far less "be a man" type expectations than one of my sisters would be clobbered with being talked down to, or seen as a sex object

I'm sure those places exist. It seems like a really minor point to hang on to. I don't think the site's goal is to end gender inequality, it's just somewhere for some women to vent frustration, I don't think they need to be held to these high standards that pretty much nothing else is held to The most worked up about it I could get is that yeah maybe you would do better to have a slightly more specific name. But it seems like a weird thing to make a thread about. I always see people suit up in armour and attack the most trivial things when it comes to someone wanting to express frustration at the status quo, and I wonder why it is.

I suspect the creators of this site do not deny that there exist sexist things against men, but are merely attempting to make a safe space to air their grievances about the day to day crap they deal with. It's a bit like complaining that the money someone gave to a cancer charity also could have been given to a malaria one IMO. If they made a statement claiming that sexism against men does not exist, then I would be in agreement with the sentiments expressed in this thread.

It's so good that in order to get The Peeps to watch it I designed a mafia game. Day will end at 22:00 today Rummy (1): The Peeps No Lynch (3): mr-paul, DuD, Jon Dedede majority is 9 votes

Day will not end tonight as discussion resumed. Day will end 14:00 tomorrow if discussion dies.

yo, just wanted to mention, if you are sure of your target you may send it early, and change it at any time up to the N2 lock event.

If there is no more discussion by 22:00 I will end day, otherwise, some time tomorrow. Rummy (1): The Peeps No Lynch (2): mr-paul, DuD

I cannot confirm/deny being a deity, but I can give a vote count! Rummy (1): The Peeps Marc (1): Rummy No Lynch (1): mr-paul

the count is right (or they beat yo ass)

Detective Lester Freamon is dead! Supergrunch is out of the game. Supergrunch was town. He could check which character a player was, but only if that player was not targeted by anyone else. He was also a wiretap technician, and needed Probable Cause, Exhaustion and to submit an Affidavit to get authorisation to use a wiretap. 695-266-6817 -- alive (17) -- Cube Diageo DuD heroicjanitor Jimbob Jon Dedede Jonnas Marcamillian mr-paul Nintendohnut ReZourceman Rummy Sheikah Tales The Peeps uəʌəsʎɐɾ Zell -- arrested/dead (2) -- Gant dead Supergrunch/Freamon dead majority is 9 votes. Day 2 begins.

oh ffs, someone automerge me...

uhhh, embarrasingly this project has sprawled into my nanowrimo warmup. I'm like 2500 words in and I don't think I'm even halfway done...I might do a drawing for this in lieu of finishing in the right month! crap!

Targets will be locked 14:00 tomorrow.

That's a restriction that would be hard to justify.

-- votes -- no lynch (11): The Peeps, uəʌəsʎɐɾ, Jonnas, Sheikah, Supergrunch, Diageo, Rummy, Zell, Jimbob Day 1 Ends No one was lynched. -- alive (18) -- @Jon Dedede @mr\-paul @u&\#601;&\#652;&\#601;s&\#654;&\#592;&\#638; @Zell -- arrested/dead (1) -- Gant dead Night 1 Begins Send your PMs.

Shit, I got fucked! Great game

Assuming today is a no lynch, please feel free to submit your night actions any time. You may change these in the night phase if the day ends on something other than a no lynch. Also something I forgot to mention: during the night I will make a LOCK post, after which no more night targets will be accepted, but the night will continue for a time afterwards.

Gant is dead! Phelan: "So if it's not your case, why do you care?" McNulty: "Well who said I did?" Audio -- Significant posts -- D1: "...when it's not your turn..." N1: Night falls fast D2: "You cannot lose if you do not play." N2: Shades of Grey D3: "The King stay the King." N3: No Doubt D4: "It's a thin line 'tween heaven an' here." -- Rules -- 1. No quoting PMs unless specified by GM. You may paraphrase. 2. No modifying posts under any circumstances! Otherwise modkill. 3. Days last at least 48 hours, at most 96. Activity decides how long. I will give warning before I end the day. 4. Nights last around 48 hours. Due to the nature of this game I would appreciate rapid submission of night PMs. 5. Generally the rules follow this 6. I will be posting in blue during days so it is easy to spot. 7. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to PM me. -- alive (18) -- Cube Diageo DuD heroicjanitor Jimbob Jon Dedede Jonnas Marcamillian mr-paul Nintendohnut ReZourceman Rummy Sheikah Supergrunch Tales The Peeps uəʌəsʎɐɾ Zell -- arrested/dead (1) -- Gant dead majority is 10 votes. Day 1 begins.

Nice! I'm on kiva too. Is good. None of my loans have defaulted yet, just a couple somewhat delinquent.

hehe, I strongly suspect this is our mate Jon. I think Rummy must have prodded him to join