danny

Why not? I bet statisticaly people on 10k are more likely to take more out of the system than people on 150k who have private health care and send there kids to private schools. And if you read there plans they would have to raise the budget by 40% it woudnt be possable to do what they say without doing that. Like i said in my post it wont ever happen and UKIP need sectioning for actually putting it forward. But if there was a way of that all being achieved i would support it. I work in defence why woudnt i want us to get an extra 40%? Muliticulturalism dosent work it puts up borders and divides communitys (it shoudnt but it does) I like the idea of a new all inclusive British ID take the best parts from what we have and forge a new British ID. I think it should be the law that you must vote (like australia i think) even if you dont vote for anyone. But still have to go and tick a box saying you arnt voting for anyone.

Well UKIP have have released there plans and if they got in to power it appears the UK would be exactly how i would like it to be more or less. But unfortunatly this is the real world and i have no idea how they would achieve these things. Some key points: Tax Introduce 31% Flat Tax rate for all Abolish National Insurance for Employees Abolish Inheritance Tax Cut Council Tax by scrapping EU laws, non jobs and political correctness Defence Boost the military budget by 40%...equip our troops properly Increase the army by a quarter and double the Territorial Army Look after our service personnel with better pay and conditions. Economy Create a million new manufacturing jobs End means testing for pensions and benefits Introduce Workfare community projects for those on benefits Health Introduce ‘franchise partners’ to run hospitals and healthcare services Allow patients ‘Health Credit Vouchers’ for healthcare choice – NHS and private Restore free dental check-ups and eye tests under the NHS Immigration End mass uncontrolled and unlimited immigration End abuse of UK asylum system Introduce work permits visas for limited periods End support for multiculturalism and promote one, common British culture Crime Build the prisons we need Double the number of police Abolish the Crown Prosecution Service Deport foreign criminals andextremists Call the nut house if UKIP think this is possbible then they need a bed. http://www.ukip.org/content/features/1498-downloadable-resources

Well i guess i will be going to priso then wont i. I still stand by the comment that something needs to be done to stop the teft of media online. And you know exacty what i mean lol.

I cant even read this entire thread some of you people should be in the x files or something. Something has to be done to stop people stealing digital media. As for the collateral murder debate and wiki leaks, (i aint getting in to the debate on te subject again) but where is the line for stealing state secrets and putting them on the internet? People should not be stealing anyting from defence sites and anyone that does should be punished for doing so as you could unknowingly be putting people lives at risk.

Well i guess really its a spknork but it said spork on the site.

Spork £1.53 Oil bottle £2.73 Exped 8ltr dry sack £6.39 all from http://www.rvops.co.uk wherethe prices are just random figures lol. £14.99 Play.com

Well said and im from a single parent background. Although my dad was around (once a week) i still think im one of the few who faired better than a lot of people i know fro msingle parent backgrounds. Bollcks. I work in a fairly well paid job (over 20k a year), pay taxs, pay a mortgage etc. I cant afford to go out twice a week. Yet there seems to be plenty of single mothers that i know do. My sister recently had a kid shes on the lowest kind of maternity pay now which is next to nothing yet with the benefits she manages to go to go out at least once a week, go to manchester for a night every now and again. Th kid i well looked after and wants for nothing. I know she dsent get any money of my dad and her mam and her dad dosent talk to her. You can live well on benefits. There are estates full of people in the north who prove this fact. They have and endless supply of cider and fags. £100 trainers ad all the most expensive clothes you can buy from JD sports etc. I only wish i had such a low moral compass to have realised this when i left school. Now before anyone flames me some people do need/deserve benefits, but theres a lot more who dont. im the sort of person who would empty the bins/work in mcdonalds before i would go on the dole. Many of the people on benefits are not they see themselves being above these kind of jobs. I would dispute this fact anyone who works is far far above long term dolies.

I know it is easier for them to get publicity but still. Well i would dispute the fact they need to take similar measures. If they dont have a big publicity drive how can they expect to make huge gains? I mean they will make gains this tim but im sure they could make bigger ones if more people knew what they stood for. Im not so sure on that. I think the reason many people in the labour party didnt want to get rid of him was that they didnt want to change just before an election. If they win then suerly its a good time to change the PM with 5 years until another election?

Not true. It just needs people in the labour party to grow a set of balls. Plenty of people seem to have talked about bining him. But very few have actually come forward t odo something about it. Remember you do not vote for PM you vote for your MP/Party, it is down to the party who they make leader. Well i know what the BNP stand for maybe the Lib dems should be a bit more creative with there press work if they cant afford to do it the conventional way.

I do understand what you say my grandma would still vote labour if gordon brown hung a man from every second lamp post. But thats her choice. I just dont like it when people resort to name calling on the issue. The lib dems just seem very wishy washy to me. Its a month to the election and i still dont really know what there policys are. I came home after being away for 5 weeks and i could barely open my door for leaflets from labour and the torys. I havent had one leaflet from them. Dosent seem like they are that arsed. Also i think its very easy for them to make claims for thwat they will and wont do money wise. As they know theres no way they will ever have to do it. (or not at this election anyway). Well i just d not think this labour govenment has any buisness being in govenment anymore. I am not a closed book to ever voting labour. But i have no respect for any of higher members of the labour partys. the party should be punished by being pushed out of govenment and being forced to chnge there leadership in my opinion. The torys may cover things up. As of the partys might but the difference is that labour have. And the trys probably have in the past. But if there are any members of the party still left its will only b a few not like the many in the labour party. I just dont think someone wh can go to an inquiry in to the death of hundreds of servicemen and women and lie in front of there families and the nation is a man that should be leading the country. On that fact alone it is my belief the labour party should have disowned him. Tony blair went to the inquiry said we got things wrong but i still think it was right thing to do. You cant fault tony blair for that. But to lie in front of the families ofdead people at a public inquiry just shows he has no honour at all. Yeah hatred and the incopetance of the labour party for keeping such a man as leader of there party. If they think its ok for him to do such things then they shoudnt be in power. Also i dont think the govenment has done enough to fight imigration at all. it is my belief there should be some kind of annual cap.

Im sorry but it is an excuse. Our medics were not traditionaly armed with anything except a pistol so they could only defend themselves and there patient. But due to enemy actions (not ours) ths i no longer the case. In the past our medics used to wear the geniva cross. Also this is no longer the case as they will then aim for that person more than anyone else knowing tat once there dead its easier to kill others. Unless they had there hands up or had dropped there weapons and were runing away (realy enemy not civis this is) then all is fair in my eyes. If prisoners are taken then they should get every right the law allows them. I dont agree with anyone being tortured. But i think a few saps at the time of capture can normally be forgiven as emotions boiling over. Just remember its very easy to sit behind your screena nd say what should happen. Its very different on thegroud in 40 degree heat carrying your own weight in kit when people are shooing at you and sending chilren armed with explosives to kill you.

You are the bigest type of fuckwit in this country. The sort that will slag people of for using there choice how they wish. If people wish to vote for anyone that is there choice and they cant be wrong for doing so that is democracy. I dont think the torys represent me brilliantly. But there is not a party that i think does it better than they do either. But i think labour should be punished just for having no honour at all. If anyone sticks there hands up and says we did this and we either made a mess of it or we stand by it then that is fair enough. But to lie about and try and cover it up is shocking.

To make sure Labour dont get back in?

If there is a hung parliment. Which way will the lib dems go? I remember reading at some point that they would go with whoever had the most seats, as they wanted the people to have chosen the govt. But i have heard other things since then. Seriously i have no deep seaed hatred for labour per say. Just this labour party. How anyone can seriously think Gordon Brown a man who by his own admission lied at the inquiry in to the deaths of over 270 british servicemen is a good person to be prime minister is beyond me. How can a man with no honour lead the country? What does that say about the country?

Brown... Must.... Die!...

Well its official 6th May 2010 will be election day in the UK. Ive just got off the phone registering my postal vote. And i thought this was a subject very deserving of its own thread.

As i have said above you dont shoot medics if you know the other side wont shoot your medics. Out there do yu think they gve a fuck about medics or the geniva convention. The rule most soldiers go for out there is make sure the enemy isnt breathing any more. Because thats exactly how they feel about us. Before deploying we are told count your rounds and alays make sure you have one round left. Bassically dont let yourself be taken alive. Because being taken alive be these people is a fate worse than death. These people dont have the same values as say the Germans did, or Argentinians did etc. You are the voice of reason as always.

I think they thought the camera/tripod was a weapon i coudnt see the RPG though. Its frowned upon when you are fighting decnet people. People that will let you pick up your own dead and people that dont shoot medics. (not saying these civis arnt decent people i just mean the enemys out there in genral)

All i will say is 99.9999% of people in the millitary ae decent people who would happily go through a 22 year career with out having to kill anyone they dont need to. You have to be able to sleep at night right. So in these cases i tend to think at that moment in time they thought they were doing the right thing. That dosent mean mistakes are never made. But there are always exceptions. I would just like to say im not defending what they did. But i was just saying you cant slag there coments if they still thought they had killed legit enemy.

First of i aint seen the video all the way through my dongle dosent work properly as i said. Thank you for clearing up how big an RPG is for me mate. My point about the kids was if the guy thought still at the point he said it he had just killed actual enemy then his comment is valid. If it was after then its not. I will defend saracastic statements as long as they were said while they thought they had killed actual enemy as they are valid. If they were after they realised they had killed civis then there now. Brutality of the people im defending, i havent defended the actions. Just the comments as they thought they had killed enemy how can comments be wrong if they still thought they had killed enemy? And the coppers actions were right to defend. I said the yanks are far to triger happy they opend fire on brits on telic 1.

Wooo. Good game. Just hope we can go and win the title now. What were they trying to say Colochini had done wrongwhen tha guy fell over him in the box.

But did they know they had killed inocent ppl b4 they joked about it. If they did that is bad. If they still think they are enemys then that is good shooting they are dead. Anyway are we going to see any consistancy in the moderation of this site and have the video removed? No thought not what a joke.

Well if they still didnt know there was no weapons is that not a fair comment? The sad thing is the ppl out there do take there children to battle field. To use them as shields or if the child is a bit dim they strap them with explosives and get them to walk towards soldiers then blow them up with a remote.

I coudnt watch it all as for some reason my dongle has got a proper shit connection just over night. As for pointless i dispute that fact the world is a better place with out saddam. They didnt check? How do you check they thought they had weapons, (im not saying he didnt make the wrong dessicion but how do you check? land and ask him?) And what was the crack with the revelling was that before or after they realised they had fucked up. If before i can totally understand i could revell in the death of extremeists. If after they realised they had fucked up then that is worrying. Aparently this sort of thing isnt allowed on N-europe either as i had a video removed which was simaler to this but showed taliban blowing themselves up. And apparetly it wasnt apropriate. Or is it ok unless if it shows coalition forces in a bad light? Sadly though this is not isolated. The americans do tend to be trigger happy as was seen at the start of telic 1 when they blew up a load of our lads. And they got away with that. So you cant say the are consistant with the justice.