Ant-Shimmin

- My opinions on football: I don't like it, I think the crowd are hostile, I think a lot of the players are overpaid diving idiots, I think a few of the players are bigots and homophobes... - And what I believe are facts: Hooliganism, violence, corruption etc is present to a fairly big degree on football etc... Feel free to disagree and challenge me on the latter... but Ant-Shimmin has been arguing that I'm not allowed to have my own beliefs (the former) which of course is completely wrong. In terms of the second thing, 'I' don't think those comments are stupid and I stand by them, but feel free to disagree. You won't change my mind, just like I won't change yours. How do you know the crowd is Hostile...? People are People reguardless of their occupation, wether it be a superstar footballer, Every sport including Rugby will have it's Dodgy Chracters And - And what I believe are facts: Hooliganism, violence, corruption etc is present to a fairly big degree on football etc... A big giant heap of shit....All of them are in their minority, they may have been bigger in the 80's but not now And you are allowed to have your own beliefs, Im just not having someone who obviously knows nothing about the sport posting lies and sensationalised journalism about the sport and claiming them to be your own opinion, when your own dislike of the sport is fuled by such Garbage which You have posted throughout this thread... Don't Act Innocent Motion you have been stereotying the players, the fans of this beautiful game, and I don't like it...

Huzzah Up the Saints!

Ah right......Well I'm not cluued in on the Giants so I'll step back from this one

Ah yeah because you both share the JJB, well doesn't Dave Whelan own both Clubs? I know the Rugby team has far more support then the football team, I went to Wigan last year for the Liverpool game and it was empty!!!

...I dont I'll tell you that:D

I have been to Knowsley Road about 2 or 3 times but that was a while ago, I like seeing them do well though

Wonder how Wigan are gonna get back into the mix at the top myself Not sure it was 18-14 I think I have been getting updates off my father

Your Personal Judgement is football is shite...Sound No Problem HOWEVER My opinion does counter yours, it always has , I have had and continue to true experiences, I have been matches experienced football and Have done for many many years. I know that you are wrong because the rubbish you have found on the internet has put this view into your head of football, it's fans and it's players being the spawn of all evil... Your opinions are based on stories you have heard in the paper which is stereotyping all football fans... I understand you don't like the game but don't go posting how football is a haven for hooligans and racists etc, because you quite clearly do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about Yes I do, because if...your experiences were true and your opinions weren't flawed then you would understand how wrong you are...

Saints 18-10 Roll on Old Trafford!

Yet you feel the need to sterotype us all, despite the fact your experienced aren't indeed true, and your opinions are flawed and nothing but a mash of internet articles and news reports... Right Yes....

I did not doubt your preferences, your opinions are wrong because You say something, which I prove to be wrong, not because I said it, because I have witnessed a football match... I have countered your Opinions based on stories with facts Yes I am not doubting the stories of which you have put forrward are wrong because I know they have happend, but you taking it all out of proportion... If you like Rugby fine, I have no problem I follow the St Helens as I have said...but please don't go spouting stuff which is rubbish and nothing but a plastic opinion on a sport you know NOTHING ZLICH about

Preferences no, but the opinions which make you chose your preference are totally incorrect

Do you have an Aura around you to automatically calm someone...Jaysus Anyway back to the point, Let's see shall I take my kid to a sport where fans are aggressive, segregated and where's there's a possibility of hearing things like 'Hey tumour boy, why couldn't you have died 3 years ago?' Or do I take him to see a rugby match where all the fans are mixed, get along great, have fun chatting and having a banter, and meeting up with the gentlemen players in the bar afterwards who are always on hand for a chat? Now you know as well I do as a football fan he has totally got the wrong impression of football, its fans and its impact... It's horrible to see someone with such a strong un-founded opinion, posting things so wrong and un-truthful, it makes me angry to be honest

That little scenario made me laugh though BUT... hmmm, scones at a rugby match??? Afraid not mate. Pasties, pies and beer... Funnily enough thats what football fans are served inside the staidum, SO THAT MEANS, That rugby fans them selves are hooligans... You see what I did their got 2 + 2 and got 5!

He says he has, but even them the understanding of the sport takes time, I mean its only been recently over the past 3 -4 years I have managed to fully understand, teams, fans, the whole concept of the game. Considering I have been following Liverpool with guideance from my father for over 10 years then I think I done quite well.. If I was an outsider to the game I would understand were he is coming from, but he does not have an understanding of the game its so evidently clear from his arguements and this whole Gentlemens player thing. He is stereotyping the players He is stereotyping the fans All on a few incidents which he read in the paper, now I am not dimissing these incidents but it is like me thinking that African American Rappers are drug taking killing machines, but they aren't!

In my opinion they aren't his personal opinion, his opinions stem from stories, not experienced, stories, news articles and word of mouth... He doesn't hate football, he thinks he hates it Oh and Motion did you see them vids I sent a link for you to look at!

Yes, Im sure you have, the understanding you have of the game is quite pathetic considering you say you Have been to many football games

YES YES YES YES! Was an agreement to Twighlight Link's arguement... You don't like my points so you call them rubbish. Don't like them, don't read them. But don't tell me to shut up. As I said, hostile atmosphere in here. Wanna know what that reminds me of? I think you can guess. Hostile....Jesus christ lad are you ok?, and what does that remind you of, oh yeah that News Paper article you read!

You are speaking from pre meditated opinions, a stereotypical view point inserted into you by the media... You have never been to a football match, and probably won't because you will still have this view that we are all blood thirsty Tumour Boy calling chavs who go around looking for a fight... and meeting up with the gentlemen players in the bar afterwards who are always on hand for a chat...You can also do that with football players if you go the right places, they are very friendly, I have met Michael Owen, Danny Murphy, Emile Heskey, Gerrard, Sami Hyypia, Stephane Henchoz, all great people who I shook hands with and where very friendly... You are aboslutely deluded, you are blinded and I give up with people whose opinions are not their own... The thing is his opinions aren't valid, he doesn't know nothing about the game, obviously, he has never experienced a football game yet Its fustrating yet funny because he thinks he knows what he is talking about, but in actual fact he hasn't got a clue!

Xbox 360-PS2 have the best controllers in terms of fitting comfortabally

Oh Shut up you are talking rubbish YES YES YES YES YES!

Motion I have up given all hope.... Get a ticket and go the game, your opinions are stereotyping the men, women, children who pay good money to see their team play... You don't know football, your opinions are flawed in EVERY sense... For instance this Tumour boy thing only 1 or 2 people shouted it at him, and by your rational sense of thinking thats what we all do.... You are using social issues against football fans, when it is present everywere, as an EXAMPLE look at what happend in Big Brother? Is everyone who watched BB or Participates in BB a racist? No! Your notions on the game are stupid and un-founded and are stereotypical... I'm off to bed you wreck my head! :shock: Btw did you see them videos?

I give up with motion he is as ignorant as his notions.....

Yeah, I remember that happening with the Liverpool V Ac Milan fans, the Real Betis ones loved us so much they chanted Liverpool Liverpool and we repliked with Betis (Clap Clap)

Moria, It isn't English fans, it hasn't been English fans for a very long time, have you ever been to Poland, Germany, Glasgow at Derby time.... Bah!