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    Guys, I'm joining the club! haha. I'm a bit confused though. How do I know what PS4 games I can upgrade to PS5 and what just look better (if that makes sense)? Like I know God of War is supposed to be so much better on the PS4 but it's still a PS4 game, right? However, I've just got the PS5 versions of FFVII:R, RE: Village and Plague. Is there a list of games you can upgrade? I've visited a few sites and they also include PS4 games that look better but I just want a solid list of games I can upgrade to the PS5 version from the PS4 games I have already bought...

    Also, any recommendations for games on the PS5? So far, I just have Ratchet and Clank: Rifts Apart and it is amazing! 

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    15 hours ago, Happenstance said:

    Yeah we all try to encourage her as much as possible and I’m always the one who gets her art supplies for birthdays etc. I can’t wait to see what she does in the future.

    That picture is definitely one to frame! Absolutely incredible talent and captured his likeness fantastically!

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    4 hours ago, MindFreak said:

    Not quite Marvel so will put it here: First trailer for Spider-man: Across the Spider-verse Part one (!!) released:

     

    I'm genuinely confused. How do you mean by "not quite Marvel"? I'd have thought it would've been because it's Spiderman? 

    Also, I'm excited for this film! 

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    On 22/11/2021 at 10:15 PM, WackerJr said:

    Congrats! As well as being a sports coach myself, I have friends doing similar courses and they all say how much more involved it is then they realised, so nice one! 👏🏻

    Thank you! It's been quite tough, honestly. I did so much preparation for it and it went very smoothly. The comments I got back were great- I was told that I was very informative and knew my stuff but I could've been louder, but that was down to nerves. I'm just going to enjoy Christmas for now and hit the books hard in January ready for my Level 3. To be fair though, I've done the essays, assignments, quizzes and theory and I just need to do the practical. I'm great when I'm not being watched but because I know it's on the line and there's a difference between passing and actually having a career or failing and having it go on for longer, it sticks with me. 

    I know I got this though!

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    Watched Ghostbusters Afterlife and it was phenomenal. I absolutely loved it. I already went in with high expectations and they exceeded them. I loved the story, the characters, the locations...everything! The last 20 minutes was worth the ticket price alone. I'm actually planning on watching it again but this is definitely the 2nd best Ghostbusters film (nothing can beat 1984)!

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    On 21/11/2021 at 1:15 AM, Murr said:

    Took a flexi day on Friday and went to the cinema without wife or toddler to enjoy Ghostbusters: Afterlife.

     

    I’m glad that they completely disregarded the 2016 film. I’m also very happy with their respectful acknowledgment of Harold Ramis. The final 15 minutes got me good.

    I'm seeing it tonight! It'll be my second time going to the cinemas this year because I've been a bit shaky but my friend is going with me, which is good. I have been dying to see this movie for years and I've heard absolutely nothing but good things from everyone (apart from RT critics but then they highly rated Ghostbusters 2016 so they know absolutely nothing, lmao).

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    So my good news is that I passed my Gym Instructor test. I am now officially qualified to teach fitness classes, instruct people on how to do exercises and help out in a gym. I am absolutely chuffed! I'm halfway there and living on a prayer! haha!

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    On 9/9/2021 at 7:20 PM, Happenstance said:

    My only worry at the moment is from that trailer it feels like what the Force Awakens was to A New Hope…

    I said exactly the same thing to everyone. The use of White Rabbit was awesome though! 

    I'm going to see Malignant today in the cinemas. It's the first time this year I'd be going. I've bailed out of the cinemas for months and I've been dying to go but I'm definitely going today! 

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    8 hours ago, S.C.G said:

    Well, I can remember when it wasn't unusual to find a free gift in a box of Cheerios... maybe this is the 2021 equivelant? :p

    But yeah, not so funny when you're just about to go for a bowl of cereal.

    'Ah, time for some Cheeri- oh HELL NO!'

    I bet the spider was grateful though, I'm surprised it survived in that box for so long, must have got in there at the factory, so it could have been in there for, four to eight weeks maybe?

    I'll remember this, the next time I open a box of cereal.

    It was just horrible. I was a bit pissed off as well because that was £3! I double-bagged the box and put it in the bin. Ain't no way I was keeping that inside the house when there could be more. Nope! Hell to the no! 

    I love that 😂 😂 😂 but whatever happened to toys in cereals or spoons or something. Cereals are so boring now! 

    I'm having store-brand cereal for a little bit. It took me about an hour to talk myself into it, telling myself that would never happen again 😂 

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    I had the fright of my life this morning to the point my anxiety levels just reached a stupid height.

    This morning, opened a new box of Cheerios, my absolute favourite thing, to find an ACTUAL LIVE SPIDER in the box! It was proper thick as well!

    For the record, I'm bloody scared of spiders! I don't give a fuck but it was horrible!

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    13 hours ago, Sméagol said:

    I don't know man, the last film left a bad aftertaste in my mouth. Not sure I'm inclined to give them another chance. Plus what the fuck is up with those Playstation controllers at the end? 

    You didn't enjoy Ghostbusters II? :cheeky::grin:

    18 hours ago, Helmsly said:

    New Ghostbusters Afterlife trailer:

     

    I've seen this about 10 times already! I have been waiting over 25 years for this, when 6 year old me practically watched the two films all of the time, and my body is entirely ready for this one right now. Now THIS feels like a Ghostbusters movie! I honestly cried a little bit because Ghostbusters means a lot to me, which was why I got so annoyed with 2016. It just didn't feel like a Ghostbusters film but more of a slapstick mess with no rhyme or reason behind anything. I watched Ghostbusters 1984 in the cinemas before everything went to shit for it's 35th anniversary as it was something I always wanted to experience and it was glorious. I'd have loved a double-feature but I was glad to see my favourite film on the big screen and I'm just as excited to see this.

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    30 minutes ago, Rummy said:

    What I'd like to ask you then - with so many other unknowns in your life that you risk every day why is this one so disturbing as a priority for you? I see many people(and I have here lol) argue this whole thing in extremes and false dichtomies - but you face unknowns every single damn day; yet this one is possible more documented or looked at than your life is(which contains the risk, but without a vaccine you can't avoid the risk of covid if that makes sense) so why feel so fearful of this one thing here, despite it being global? Yet at the same time you don't want to consider big data neccessarily, you also do not want to account for small data of the individuals in a risk category who can't vaccinate or aren't affected by the vaccine(ie no immunity develops) so you won't vaccine for them? This is a thing that confuses me - its neither big data nor small data that can convince folks in some of all this; so what WILL convince you? If anything?

     

    Note this isn't a judgemental or as pointed a post as it sounds, but I've come to this thread with bigger issues but we're both old school enough Dazz that I think you know I ain't hating on or attacking you here(and frankly the environment of such feeling being fostered in this thread is not useful nor conducive to the discussions or the forum, but that'll be gotten to later this post it just by me as a member in the thread)

    I know you aren't attacking or hating and I respect that it's a genuine question so there's no worries on my part. If I'm honest, I just think it's way too new to know what the future implications may be. I have considered everything I've read and whilst I understand that it might be safe, if I'm not all in 100%, by good faith I can't do it because it will drive me crazy. As I have previously said, it took me ages to get the flu jab. It naturally just does. I can't help my thought processes, as much as I wish I could. If I had my own good time to process things and actually ease into it, I'd be fine. Yes, I know it's been quite a while but things take a while to get my head around. I've never said never and as I have said a thousand times, I'm not pro or anti. I'm simply against giving a time limit to get something that I, myself, am unsure of as I would have to live with the decision. As of right now, I am fine and happy. I keep distances, I clean and sanitise as I have always done. This is like second nature to me now and even with having the jabs, this wouldn't change for me or make me feel safer in any way. 

    My own good time would probably be the only way for me to be comfortable. Giving me until September makes me extremely uncomfortable. 

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    5 hours ago, Goafer said:

    Well that certainly went places. Could have just saved yourself a lot of time and just wrote "Wake up sheeple" like the rest of the conspiracy nuts.

    This conversation is ultimately pointless. Best to just go our separate ways and let natural selection decide who's right.

    I thought it was quite interesting, personally. Like all viewpoints, I like to hear all sides and their thoughts. Obviously @Nicktendo ultimately feels strongly about this as do you. Admittedly, it is nice to hear another side as opposed to "get the jab, got the jab, get the jab", which is okay because that's your choice just as it is theirs to not get it for their reasons. However, not having it yet is mine and maybe it was in my head but from the vibes I got from here, if I had said my thoughts, I would be a little hesitant in getting my point in because I'd be ambushed for not having them or something. 

    I did feel a little alone in not having it yet, honestly, but it doesn't sit right with me that a government, who has got everything so wrong for the past near enough two years, is absolutely pushing this to the point it truly is blackmail. And honestly, I'd even be saying this if I had them too because nobody should feel any pressure into getting anything they're unsure of. 

    As I said, get it or don't, it should always entirely be your decision with no other influence. This could potentially be a life-changing for better or worse. For that reason, it must fall into your hands as it is your health and your body and it is entirely you who would have to live the consequences whatever they may be. 

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    2 hours ago, Raining_again said:

    Literally all of medicine is basically this.  educated trial and error.  If you packaged chemotherapy as a new medicine people would be far more horrified, but it is an accepted treatment for more than just cancers in the modern age.   Its the nature of the....Beast... lol.  They did tonnes of clinical trials, the scientific community wasnt sitting on furlough for any of 2020.  Pandemic protocols existed long before patient zero hit the nearest hospital.  The medical sector is bound by so much red tape you wouldnt even know where to start (at least in the UK).  Complications can happen but that happens with every single vaccine, & medicine.  I had a pretty nasty reaction to the swine flu vaccine.

    I do understand this and I understand that there are risks that come with vaccines even though they can effectively help combat whatever it is. I just find it very overwhelming. It's like there's so much noise with no actual clear cut voice. I think I'd feel much safer if there were further tests being done although I do completely understand why the vaccine was released and why people would take it.

    2 hours ago, Raining_again said:

    I havent been online in a while, but i read your reply about the hearing stuff, and yes that absolutely sucks.  I have a vocal impairment so you probably wouldnt hear me anyway, but I would still make every effort to accomodate you if i could.  I'd prob be more likely to whip out my phone and write a note (and hold it in front of you) than uncover my face though.  Curiosity - Why have you opted not to have your hearing looked into, especially at such a young age?

    That would actually have been cool but I've never had one person think of getting their phones out.

    As for the hearing question, I did enquire about it before when I was younger and Specsavers said they were giving out hearing tests and they told me I needed to go to my doctors. At the time, years ago, I got an appointment to get them checked out and they basically cleaned my ears out. It made a bit of difference but not much at all. I know I should've followed it and called up but I have a fear thing with messing near my head. It took me a good few months to get my plantar fasciitis on my foot seen to so I guess you can say I'm a bit of a nightmare when it comes to that sort of stuff, haha. Besides, it's only really in the one ear and until now, I was coping okay because I could lip-read and nobody even knew, really.

    Although interestingly, I understand women more than men and a customer in my store who is deaf thinks it's a frequency thing. But since the masks, it's been worse. It's like I have that issue but if there's background noise as well as the mask muffling their voices, I tend to really struggle. I ask them to repeat themselves twice and still don't understand so then I just read their facial expressions and then try to behave accordingly. Sounds bad, I know, but yeah...it's only really with those who refuse to move their masks though.

     

    2 hours ago, Raining_again said:

    re the whole vaccine thing.... yes i believe everyone has a right to chose.  But I'm glad that most have chosen to come together and do what is in the interest of moving forward.  I dont believe we should live in a world where you are forced to have it BUT travel operators, shops, clubs, etc have a right to refuse entry if they feel the risks are not worth entertaining.  If someone doesnt want to get it based on a non essential (aka not medical) reason, they have to be prepared to take the potential downsides that come with it. 

    The problem is while there are people out there not getting the vaccine but still being sensible (i actually know a few), there are people that are not because they are downright idiots, and are doing NOTHING to help stop the spread.  So sadly all people opting out are going to be tarred with the same brush.  If i see someone not wearing a mask, or sanitising, I dont have a right to know they are medically exempt, so i am just going to assume they arent safe to be around.  I'm in the very small percentage of the population who can still be very seriously ill after the vaccine, so im taking no chances.

    I believe what you've said is a little different though. Like if it's an individual company who had decided to operate in this way, that is on their head. To make it a law to have them is entirely different, in my eyes. I just don't think that doing this is the way forward towards a better future. If anything, I think it would be detrimental and would cause a further divide in a society that is already so divided.

    I also understand this because I was one of them who was easily judged. I just make my own judgment calls. If I feel like they are hygienic, I'll be a bit more at ease. If I see they don't care about their standards, I'll back the hell away. That sounds judgmental in itself, I realise that, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

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    14 minutes ago, Goafer said:

    Ironically, some evidence suggests that Covid itself is more likely to cause lower sperm counts in men than the vaccine.

    Source.

    Yeah, I did read about that too. But I think my problem is the fear of the unknown. There's no possible way to know about future effects and that, for me, is something that genuinely concerns me a lot. Obviously the illness itself does too as does the side effects but what about the future and the impact it would have, the boosters for the new variants that would surely happen, etc.

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    35 minutes ago, Cube said:

    There was a similar scare with miscarriages, where people pointed to data that showed an increase in the number of people who had the vaccine and then miscarried. However, the data completely ignored the massive increase in people who have had the vaccine. It turned out that if you work out the percentage of people who had the vaccine and miscarried, the number hadn't actually increased and it was consistent with the normal chances of miscarriages. 

     

    The original way the number were given was something like "in week A, Z people with the vaccine had a miscarriage, in week B, Y people with the vaccine had a miscarriage". The number was a massive jump, but the number of people who counted towards the data was also a massive jump.

    This is what I mean. I do find it very confusing when one moment it's this and the next, it's something entirely different. I've also read on different places the same thing. There's rarely ever any straightforward data anymore.

    Like I want kids in my future, that's a definite, but I'm actually a little dubious of whether that would affect my chances of having them. As ludicrous as this may sound to you, to me it doesn't. 

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    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    Feel obligated to respond to some of these posts, as I feel a bit responsible for sparking the debate. I think my reactions to some posts and not to others probably makes it pretty clear what my thoughts on this are, but it beats posting this gif for the umpteenth time:

    tenor.gif

    ...who am I kidding? It's a classic. And we were probably all thinking of posting it :p

    Not going to lie, I do like this gif and it's one of my favourite episodes too! :grin: However, please don't blame yourself for "sparking a debate" as I think it was kind of needed. My problem was that (and this is not me having digs at anybody, I promise) I felt that if you disagreed with the majority here, you were seen as stupid or lazy or awkward when that simply isn't the case. Not a dig but that was just a vibe I had got. If I'm honest, it was a long time coming. I was always toying with the idea of speaking up and although I have a couple of times, I felt like, as I have been a member here for years, this was a safe space to respectfully put my view across so people could see both sides of the "argument" with all respect intact. As I have always said: everyone has a right to an opinion as long as it's respectful and for me, although I may disagree, I will always respect an opinion without feeling the need to lash out. Also, I have read this post before typing this and I must say this is how I would hope everyone would react to someone who disagrees and it is actually why I whipped open my laptop especially to type this so kudos to you! :)

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I think the problem is that people don't need to be within your personal space (let's use the 2 metres of social distancing here for reference) when in an enclosed space for you to come into contact with the virus...or any other kind of germs. Strictly talking just about the air in an enclosed space, you've got things to account for like molecular diffusion, Brownian motion, and beyond that a whole host of other systems at play which means, without much effort, the air inside of a train carriage could easily circulate germs from one end of the carriage to the other. 

    I understand this completely. Although I do agree that they should be worn on closed spaces such as public transport (something in which I would much rather avoid as much as possible but I also understand that that would be impossible for others), wouldn't it be safe anyway if you alone wore your mask? You chose to protect yourself but if others don't want to by not wearing a mask, that's up to them. The other issue for me is the fashion masks. Although I'm sure it's better than nothing, surely getting those thicker masks would help more? I just think there's risk everywhere you go and the best you can do is avoid situations as much as possible. As I keep mentioning, I'm genuinely DYING to go to the cinemas as it's more or less the only place I feel truly relaxed but I wouldn't go because the thought of being in a room for over 2 hours with a load of people breathing the same air as me freaks me out a little. I mean, I even had my qualms about the gym but honestly, my gym is great for cleanliness and respectable distances so I've been okay with that so maybe there's hope for me yet...sorry, I just drifted away there...but that's my take on it. Everything about the bus or train freaks me out but if you (as in yourself) protect yourself all you can inside it, surely that is okay?

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I do agree with you that you should keep your wits about you, try to keep to yourself, watch your own hygiene, maybe even try to find another spot if you feel it's getting a little too crowded, etc., which I try to adhere to as well, rubbing my hands down with hand sanitiser getting on the train, before I get off, when I next arrive at a location where I'll be spending some time, before and after eating, sitting down in the cinema, and so on. 

    I just think it's a bit concerning that a very, very noticeable number of people on the train didn't even have a mask on them as far as I could tell, and they certainly weren't wearing them.

    I get that, actually. Although I'm all for choice when it comes to most things, I think it's sensible to actually wear something on a bus, train or in a hospital or surgery. The problem for me is that people got by for the longest time without a mask before it was law, even though I was wearing one for hours at a time (which turned out was not healthy for me at all). Honestly, another thing as well, I don't know about where you are but where I am, a lot of people never really wear them properly anyway. For instance, they cover their mouth but not their nose. Another thing is the face shields. I was asked to wear one but when I did it, I didn't see the point at all in them because, as you've said, if it's in the air then you can still breathe it in anyway so what was the point? I've gotten by without anything and *touch wood* I've never had it. That's not me saying that because I'm fine, it's totally safe and it's proven, but I am saying that a bit of self-awareness, hygiene and caution can go a long way. 

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I mean, just going back to the incident I described about the COVID passport protest that I witnessed: the irony was that they were showing EXACTLY that they couldn't be trusted and why we even need to consider putting such things in place. There were a few hundred people I saw protesting, taking up one of the larger pavements I've come across in Birmingham and spilling over into the streets, with barely any of them wearing masks, and huddled so tightly together that they'd make a sardine blush. 

    Okay but we have seen sporting events recently with them doing the exact same thing. We have seen Black Lives Matter protests doing the exact same thing. We have seen Anti-Lockdown protests doing the exact same thing. We have seen Anti-Paedophile protests doing the exact same thing. We have seen Women's Rights protests doing the exact same thing. I mean, honestly, when it comes to that, this isn't exactly anything new. You're always going to have differing viewpoints where people think masks do/don't work. I do agree that we all need to fight for the right to a choice and a voice though. This right here is a healthy way of doing this. I'm hearing your side and you're hearing mine. You respectfully disagree with me on some things and vice versa. Some people want to protest this and I understand it. It's a way for us to be heard and it's slowly being taken away. People notice it though because it's about the passports coming through and not because it's about race, gender, etc. I never heard many comments from anybody anywhere about wearing masks and distancing and when they did, they were shot down with "some things are more important" and the like. This is the same. For me, I believe this is important because we already live in a divided society, which is now becoming further divided with the vaccinated and unvaccinated and I hate it. 

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    As for the COVID passports themselves, I think it's fine conceptually, and a completely understandable thing to put in place. I think you're viewing it from the "glass half empty" lens if you're seeing it purely as a push for people who aren't vaccinated to go get the vaccine, because, from my perspective, it's more about keeping those who have been vaccinated safe in an environment (such as a nightclub or a football stadium) where just one person potentially spreading the virus in such a densely populated discs could have a wide-reaching impact on a great number of lives around them. You need to have a driving license to drive a car just as, for the time being, you'll need to be vaccinated (and potentially have had a recent negative test?) to enter events where the virus could cause some serious trouble: highly and densely populated, enclosed, pretty warm spaces, the perfect breeding ground out in the wild for something like this to spread like wildfire.

    I do think everyone needs to view it as a "glass half empty" situation though because effectively, this is a scary situation to be in. It's like, if they can do this, what else would they be able to do against your will? I don't want to take something I'm unsure of for the sake of "getting back to normal". It's a scary position to put people in, especially with those who may have issues with taking medicine and then putting a time limit on top of that.

    Okay, here's what I'm saying: If you're vaccinated, you shouldn't have anything to worry about, right? Because your vaccine will protect you against Covid more than it would against me. So with that in mind, if you were in a nightclub and God forbid you did have Covid and that entire club was exposed and a lot of them had vaccines, surely it's more of a risk for the unvaccinated? Because the vaccinated shouldn't feel the effects as much and isn't life-threatening and it's simply a case of having a bad cold (from what I was told)? So with that in mind, although it isn't life-threatening to you, surely it is more so to me (through my choice)? So using your club scenario, my life is way more at risk than yours is as you would have "a cold" and I would potentially die, which wouldn't be your fault obviously.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    However, the problem with the COVID passports, as @Will alluded to, is that the UK government don't have the systems in place to support such a scheme, and it'll be as half-arsed as much of their other work during this pandemic has been. And, as you rightly mention Animal, what does happen to those who can't get the vaccine due to genuine medical/religious reasons? I have no clue, and I doubt the government do too. Again, I think it comes back to it being a good idea in concept, but with our government? I don't see it being handled well at all.

    Exactly my point, honestly. This government will 100% abuse it. There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that this would happen. Look at everything that has happened for the past two years and it'll tell you exactly how this will be handled. I just know this is a bad idea all around. As I have previously mentioned and I will do so for effect, I'm not anti- or pro-vaxx but I am all for making your own choices when it comes to your own body, life and health. If you feel it is safe to take it or not take it, do so or do not as long as it is your choice and you have looked at everything.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    Yeah I fully get this, when I tried to explain to a waitress yesterday that I'd booked a table at a medium volume it was clear she had no idea what I said, so I lifted my mask away from my face to repeat what I'd said, and if she couldn't hear me then I would have asked if she was okay with me removing my mask so that she could hear me (we were a metre or two apart anyways). It's one where I feel like you have to play it by ear and just be mindful of how many people are around you and their distance from you.

    Unfortunately, not a lot of people are like you and this is through my experience entirely. I used to wear a lanyard saying "please remove your mask so I can understand you better" as I can pretty much lip-read. If there's no background noise, I can pretty much hear but if there is and there's people talking and music playing, I struggle to understand. I flash them the card and even tell them I need to lip-read and they either refuse to do so or move the mask down to their mouth. In the end, I just give up and don't bother anymore because nobody even took notice of it. I even got myself the sunflower lanyard, which is recognisable as Hidden Disabilities, and they still don't. I ask them twice and if they can't do one simple thing for me, what's the point in trying to converse? As I have said previously, my heart genuinely goes out to those who rely entirely on lip-reading because they must feel cut out from society. I used to be told I have the patience of a Saint but honestly, recently, my patience wears thin. Not to the point I get angry but to the point I become fed up and just say "It's okay, don't worry about it" and walk off until I find someone who doesn't wear a mask who could help me.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I mean the fact that they aren't the same is a huge part of it, though. For the COVID vaccines they used the main strand which kicked this all off as the reference, and while we've seen variants since, it's a process which can be repeated with the new variants, and heck I think some of the vaccines used elsewhere already prove somewhat effective against the new variants. That's entirely different to the flu vaccine, where the entire basis of the vaccine is an educated hunch at what will be the most popular mutation that year, and in recent years they've been pretty far off the mark. 

    It's like trying to put a brand new bike together with the same model already put together next to you and a set of instructions to go with it vs closing your eyes and building a bike based on what you imagine a bike will look like this year based on your memories of last year's model. It's a very, very rough way to do things, which again has missed the mark as of late. 

    But there will always be different variants. Heck, in September, if they bring this in (which I hope they don't), there might be a new variant that will prove ineffective against the vaccines. Germs mutate and grow stronger and resistant. I don't want to put stuff in my body I'm sceptical of right now. Honestly, even with the flu vaccinations, I have been ill from the effects of having them, which is partially why I do not want this right now. It had taken me years to even have that because I was a bit apprehensive but I did it in the end because I knew I'd need to but that was years. This is months compared. I've just been extremely unsure of this, let's face it, new vaccine and although I have people telling me "you'll be fine", they're not the ones who would have to live with the unknown future effects afterwards or the side effects of it after getting it- it would be me. With my survival rate also being very, very high (granted lower than others due to my "vulnerability"), I'd still rather take that chance for now. If it was below 60% or something, I'd probably highly think of getting it and even then, I'd be the same now.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I mean at this point why not just bring the electric chair back, or hand these people a noose and a chair to jump down from as they walk out of prison? If it would make it that much safer and the possibility of rehabilitation isn't an option - thankfully it is - then what purpose is there to let them walk out? 

    Like I mentioned before, I think it's the lens you're viewing it from, and by all means you have a right to your own opinion on this, but there's an insanely massive difference for me between being ostracised due to raping someone and being left out by omission through your (not your as in you, Animal, but a general your) own actions based on your own choices. Again as I mentioned before, think it gets murky when it comes to people who due to medical reasons in particular can't get vaccinated, but other than religious beliefs and some other fringe cases -- I'm talking about healthy people who don't fall in these categories -- it's simply called consequence. You (again, a general you, I'm not singling you out) can't have your cake and eat it too. 

    But this is what I was previously saying, if they were repeat offenders who had got released and struck again, if they were double jabbed, they would essentially get more freedom than I do? Isn't that a little warped? I'm not saying this is always 100% the case but I'm saying that if you have extremely violent thugs out in the streets who randomly attack people for fun (which has happened recently in an Asda supermarket), if they were double jabbed, they would get more freedom than me, an innocent law-abiding person who just refuses to inject something in his body due to uncertainty? Isn't that a little messed up?

    I understand what you mean about consequence but who are the government to decide what you put inside your body? The government are the ones who have made things worse in my eyes with their confusion, uncertainty, lies and deceit and I have major trust issues when it comes to whatever they say and as far as I'm concerned, they have blood on their hands that will never wash away. My issue with the vaccine as well is that we have the government telling us basically that it's their way or the highway and that's not very fair considering everything that has gone on. I understand people have lost loved ones, I have lost people too but the government can't more or less blackmail you into taking something to gain a life back that is rightfully yours anyway. I'm not taking it because I want to be awkward, I'm not taking it for my health and for the fact I know I commonly get side effects from medicine. Even if it wasn't on medical grounds, I would support anybody's choice to not have it should they not want it just as much as I would with those who would have it. So why wouldn't people who have had it support my choice? (and this is not a dig to anyone, it's just a general statement).

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    As someone who tries their best to help people when I can see that they might need it, I think this is a dangerous mindset to walk around with, just for the mental toll it would take, because you're only a hop and a jump away from being at fault for everything wrong with society. When it comes to helping others that you are in no way responsible for, I think only you can hold yourself accountable for your decisions, but I think for the average person - like myself - we'll find ourselves limited in what we can do by our time, finances, or something else.

    I was in a rush to get to work and so didn't get the chance to help that homeless guy? Welp, I've caused him harm. I don't know, to me, that seems like a spiral I'd rather not go down. 

    For me, it always comes back to being the change you want to see happen. I want more people to help the homeless, and so when I get the chance to, I'll do what I can to help them. It's a cold day -- do they want a hot chocolate or a coffee? They're hungry -- do they want to come with me to get some food?

    But as a 22 year old in his first full-time job, there's a limit on what I can reasonably offer to help with, and so long as I try to help them, I think that's okay. I'll shorten my life, and end up getting the chance to help less people in the process, if I carry the world's problems on my shoulders. 

    Oh, this was more of an example. I've known people in real life as well as those adverts say stuff like "I'm taking a vaccine to protect you, a random person buying condoms in Morrisons" and I'm like "Come on!". It's not some act of selflessness, you're doing it to protect yourself and that is absolutely fine. I've heard people say they purely do it because they want a better society and taking the jab is a way towards that but my point was that if they want a better society, there's more things we need to fix before we even have that. Homeless, delinquents, crime, etc...these are all things that would need more attention to build a better society way more than having a jab. I'm not saying to give change to every homeless person you meet but I'm saying as a way of gaining a better society, there's things that can be done first that aren't being paid attention to. I'm not saying this as you but as in general. I'll be the first to admit that I could do a little more but I'm also going to admit that I would take the vaccine for more selfish reasons, which is fine.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    I mean, even if I did selfishly want to protect myself, my friends, and my family...I think that's a completely fair line of reasoning, and that would only be the start. It would take an ounce of empathy and awareness for those around you to then start thinking about how others might be impacted if you didn't get the vaccine. 

    Why exactly can't it be both me wanting to take care of myself, those I know, and those I don't? Why is it a black or white "it's us or them"? 

    Oh, it can be. I was talking more about the people who say they're doing it for selfless reasons alone. You're doing it to protect yourself, which is absolutely okay. I would be the same too. It can be for whatever reasons you say it is but let's face it, you're doing it because you don't want to feel the full effects should you catch it, which I pray nobody does. Here's what confuses me though: people who have it say they have it to protect a person but how would it protect them if you (vaccinated) accientally gave it to them (unvaccinated)? Surely it would only benefit you...

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    See, there are two different things here. 

    Firstly: I fully respect your decision to not take the vaccine until you know more about the potential side effects, and given what you mentioned about you having side effects to similar things before, I think you're justified in being wary and waiting for more information, however long it might take. From the rest of your posts I think it's clear that even without taking the vaccine, you're aware of the situation, do your utmost to be hygienic, and are trying your damnedest without the vaccine. Unfortunately, we can't say that's been the case for everyone who hasn't had the vaccine (and to be clear this isn't me targeting anyone else in the thread, it's the impression that I get from when you look around and on social media). 

    I'm thankful that you've noticed this because in all honesty, and this is not me trying to be sly here but has been something I have felt, I feel that people have judged me for not having it when in actual fact, I've done all I can to create a safer environment for myself and as an effect of that, for others too. For instance, I have a friend who does nothing but bang on about masks but I brought up the "bare minimum by just mask-wearing" argument with them. They had a pop at me because I don't wear a mask but when I gave them a list of basically everything I do in my every-day life, I got told I'm being OTT because I wipe stuff before it comes into the car/house or I mouthwash with Listerine or hand sanitise very regularly or carry cleaning stuff with me but I don't think I am. I'm just being careful and for me, *touch wood* that has worked so far and I'll continue to do it. I don't even think of it anymore, it's just become second nature. I'd rather be careful than care-free.

    6 hours ago, Julius said:

    Given the scale and severity of the pandemic, I just think it's unrealistic to not have any pressure around an issue like this. The same goes for voluntary consent for any number of things: real life just isn't simple enough to take things as they are in a closed bubble, there are almost always other factors at play. 

    Honestly, if I didn't take the vaccine, I wouldn't feel comfortable going out to any of these events (nightclubs, football matches, concerts) anyways, so I wouldn't feel the pressure of everything going on regarding the COVID passport. Heck, even now that I've had my first vaccine, I'm not in a rush to put myself at risk like that. 

    I'll be honest with you right now, even if I had the vaccines, I'd be exactly the same as I am now. I would not be any different at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again, although I think it is making a difference, I just don't think it would benefit me massively. I'm very apprehensive of going to places. Even eating out is a bit of a mixed reaction to me because of people preparing my food. It sounds weird, I get it, but it's a little daunting to me. Eventually I'll get over it but right now, it's a bit of a mixed bag. I was quite sceptical of having a takeaway that was ordered for my birthday but I ended up having it and I was fine so I'm definitely stepping forward slowly but surely. But this is my mindset and how I am. It sounds totally crap and like I'm overly cautious or very scared and timid but I have a pretty confident personality but I'm just also very subconsciously cautious.

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    4 hours ago, Nicktendo said:

    Keep fighting for your own rights and freedoms, @Beast, look after your own health, nobody should be forced to do anything against their will to carry on being a free person and enjoy their life in the same way they did before. A choice between a vaccine and ostracization is no choice at all.

    I definitely will! 100% agree with this. For me personally, I would much rather have the future health implications known before I even take it. It seems to me that there's loads of research being done, which is great, but I would want certainty not only in the research but in myself as well. I don't want to rush in to getting something to get back to normal, which is what many people have done (and that is fine because it is their choice).

    If it did fall to it, I'd rather be ostracized before taking something against my will and something I'm unsure of and I'm more than prepared for it. It's already happened to me anyway with people becoming heated for not having it yet...that's fine, I can take it because at least I still have my rights to choose what I do with my health and my body. I'd much rather be 100% safe in the knowledge that it would not affect my future. It's been crazy with my mental health overthinking absolutely everything and I know if I had the jab and went in with both feet to find out later that there would be something in the future, it would drive me insane. 

    The way I see it: My body, my choice. Your body, your choice. Voluntary consent without the use of pressure of any kind no matter how small is important in any aspect of life, especially when it affects one's physical and mental health. 

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    13 minutes ago, Cube said:

    You tell me. I said they aren't valid sources of scientific research (unless of course, they are a scientist doing relevant research). Lots of accounts claiming to be single mums are common types of accounts sharing this information, most likely fake.

    As you brought "demonising" into it, you must have a big dislike of that group of people (this is a stupid thing for me to claim, just using the same kind of logic as your for twisting other people's words to change their meaning). 

     

    There's a massive difference between abortion and vaccines. Vaccines slow down the spread of the pandemic, preventing vulnerable people from dying (including those who are vaccinated, as it's not 100% affective).Anti-abortion laws are simply created for sexist or religious reasons. 

    A lot of the "left" are against actual laws regarding vaccines, but we should still encourage people to have them. 

     

     

    One thing I find odd is that there's load of anger regarding vaccines and face masks, but while that happened the government has put extremely vague laws on protesting that could lead to 10 years of prison if it is deemed an "inconvenience". That's where people's focus should be. 

    This right here is what I mean though. Whilst I understand abortions and vaccines are different procedures, what you CHOOSE to do with YOUR OWN BODY should entirely be YOUR CHOICE and yours alone.

    Also, I'm very mad about the right to protest too because it's taking away everyone's right to voice their opinion but isn't it awfully strange that that had come in and then, after saying passports wouldn't happen, suddenly from September we can't go places unless we have one.

    Honestly I can't even believe that there are people who do not understand just how wrong this is. I even know vaccinated people who are just as outraged as I am about this. Also, just for the record, I'm seen as one of these vulnerable people but I still disagree with the emotional blackmail (let's call it as it is) of getting a vaccine to keep me alive. At the end of the day, you do you. Are you going to walk past everyone in the street and ask if they've had theirs? No you wouldn't. Does it necessarily make a difference in my life if you have or haven't? No it wouldn't because I'm still going to live the way I want to anyway. 

    Just to reiterate, although I disagree with getting the vaccine until there's further tests and data regarding future health implications (and for the record, I'm like this with a lot of medicine anyway as I tend to get side effects), I'm not against the vaccine. I'm against the government pressuring you to get it through not allowing your freedom to do what you want to. 

    As I mentioned earlier, I love going to the cinemas but it's MY CHOICE not to go because I don't feel safe enough and everyone who's getting the vaccine for other people's benefit won't change matters for me. I totally realise that I can catch it and possibly become worse but that's my burden, not yours. It sucks but I crack on with it. Honestly anybody having the jabs will be treated just the same as someone who hasn't had it. I keep a respectable distance and that's that. If I want to wear a mask, I'll do so if I have to be in close but even then, it's hard for me to wear them for long before my breathing becomes affected. 

    I just honestly do not buy that everyone is getting the vaccine for unselfish reasons though. I don't buy that the majority has booked theirs and said "I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for the random stranger I might meet in a bus stop. I'm doing this for a better society! ". Let's not lie here, the majority are not really doing it for a better society but for your own health and that is okay to be selfish because I don't honestly blame you. That is entirely your choice. If you were trying to gain a better society, there's a fuck ton more that needs doing. 

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    36 minutes ago, Will said:

    I think it’s like you said previously, a bit of common sense goes a long way. Do I want to be a on a train without a mask on? Not at all. Would I pull it down to speak to someone with a hearing difficulty? Absolutely. 

    If those other things were new and having the same impact as covid then yeah, they probably would be.

    For sure helping the homeless and doing charity work is great, but choosing not to do it does not mean you play an active part in harming other people. Not having the vaccine might do. I totally agree that people should have the right not to have a vaccine if they don’t want to. I just also think that everyone else has the right to choose not to be around them and exclude them from certain things if they’ve taken that decision with no good reason.

    I don’t really think it’s the same thing. Religion aside a person can’t control those things but they can control whether they get vaccinated or not. If a religion doesn’t allow you to have a covid vaccine then that sucks, but it’s still your choice.

    Well yes, it’s definitely crazy if a pedophile has more freedom than someone who hasn’t had a vaccine but you can start making any crazy excuse if you go down that route. Just because one thing is fucked up doesn’t mean other things should be to compensate for it.

    I totally agree with this but there has to be some sort of sense to coming out of all of this. It’s fine to say we need to get back to normal for people’s mental health but if going back to normal means millions of people sick and thousands dying doesn’t that just get us back to step one? I don’t know what the right balance is but going straight back to normal doesn’t really feel like it’s anywhere near the right thing to do.

    I do wish there were more people like you who would remove their masks for them because in all honesty, it's a pain in the arse for me and I've noticed I become more impatient and frustrated whereas before, I had loads of patience. As I say, keeping a distance and still removing their mask should be okay but there's seems to be extremes on both sides of the mask and unmask debates. 

    As I said, I understand Covid has had a huge impact and whilst I understand they're not the same, the flu can also kill just as much. Why else do you see adverts every year to "catch it, bin it, kill it" and to get flu jabs for? It can be bad news for the elderly and people with severe asthma and immune system difficulties if they did catch it but in my experience, people refuse to get it because "they don't want to be ill for a couple of days". With that in mind, considering it would be bad for those people, isn't that not helping build a better society? A person is a person after all. 

    Here's the thing for me: whilst you're not harming people, you're still effectively harming the homeless and your society. Also, you say this but isn't it harming yourself (mentally or physically) getting a vaccine. People can say all they like that they get it for strangers but let's be real, the majority are not really doing it for society but for their own health and potentially their friends and family too. I do agree that PEOPLE have a PERSONAL right to stay away from those who have not been vaccinated as it is THEIR CHOICE but for the government to make it law to treat others differently just doesn't sit well with me. Also, I'm not religious but I believe that it's their right to not have one if it falls on to religious reasons. We've been taught growing up to not treat others differently due to their religious beliefs, race, sex, orientation, etc. Wouldn't this be totally throwing it all out of the window? 

    As regards to the paedo quote, I believe it is something to absolutely think about. If it's this easy to exclude others from society for not injecting something into their bodies that they're unsure of, why isn't it this easy to do the same with paedophiles, rapists and very violent people? We talk about a safer society but wouldn't that be safer especially if they are repeat offenders? 

    Finally, I understand this one and I believe there should be a balance but I don't think this approach is it. 

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