Sheikah

Holy shit, I just logged in on my work PC thus can see notifications (unlike Tapatalk)...I have 39. :p The thing is though, the things I'm claiming aren't really likely to be lied about. Would I claim to be Donkey Kong, a pretty famous Nintendo character, if I wasn't? Someone else could be him. And why would I pick DK if I was making up a character, given he was at one point a villain in a game? Magnus's PM was hardly 'date rape'. Either way it doesn't really do anything when I follow up by spinning after roleblocking - in roleblocking the player they're not going to get a PM with the info they wanted anyway. So whether they learn they were hammered into the ground by a monkey, or are told they don't remember anything, it doesn't really make much difference. They know they've been stopped somehow. I said a long time ago that I am able to find out who my target targeted. It's not something I just came up with. And please don't discredit DuD's imagination - he decided that I as DK can roleblock by hammering the player into the ground (which is a move he does in Smash), and then he also said I could spin the target. DK, again, does spin. I don't see any issue with this. Important point as well - I wouldn't claim Magnus wasn't targeted by anyone but me if I had no way of knowing. That'd be suicide. That strengthens my point about me be able to find out what has ever targeted my target. Basically I am a roleblocker with some tracking ability tacked on. The spinning thing doesn't really do anything extra useful at the end of the day. I really don't see it to be as powerful as you're trying to make it out to be - as the days progress I would learn a list of people who targeted my target, but I wouldn't know what day they targeted them or what they even did. Sure there's stuff to be learned, but I really don't think it's as powerful as you make out.

Sure. I'm a roleblocker, town, and I'm Donkey Kong. I targeted Magnus last night. I wouldn't have targeted someone on the first night but I have the added bonus of seeing all markings on a player (ie. I get a list of all the players ever to target them). I learnt no one else but me so far has targeted Magnus. No one has disputed this. Additionally I have the option to spin people around after targeting them, but it appears all this does is makes the recipient feel dizzy and forgetful as opposed to feeling like they were hammered into the ground... So far I've gladly offered to reveal every target I make in future at the beginning of the day, as well as my justification for targeting and a list of players to target them. I'm also the only person claiming to be a roleblocker; at least no other townie has come to cast doubt on me being town over this. I really hope you don't hammer this with your double. This isn't the same as your last game, and I'll do whatever it takes to prove that to you.

As if. Are you serious? So by D5, I see that maybe 8 different people have 'marked' the person I roleblocked. I know nothing about their roles, which day they targeted them or anything else. The only day I can for sure work out anything is N1 - I know for sure any marks are from that night. Also you are totally spinning the PM thing - I am already roleblocking my target so what useful PM info were they ever going to get? And I don't block a PM anyway, as I found out from Magnus, so the spinning thing is essentially worthless.

I know it's easy to look at the number of votes and think there must be something there, but seriously I'm asking you to consider that I'm actually a town roleblocker who targeted you randomly to get some info. It was N1 after all - it's not like I roleblocked a you after you had been confirmed to be a solid town lead or someone with an uber role. Really though you might expect town to have at least one sort of roleblocker, if that helps you to believe. And like I said, if town don't lynch me I will report in at the beginning of every day with my target, why I targeted them and who else targeted them. If I don't, or the person I claim to target says he felt no effect, then lynch me then.

Yeah, that's the point. The way he went about it was not right. @Mr\-Paul, I don't see why I would be protected any longer once it was known I was a roleblocker, especially given Rummy's vote on me right from the very start. He would have just gone down the path that I only revealed it once I was 'caught out'. Admitting to being a roleblocker after someone to tells you to admit it is hardly protection candidate material, is it? I also don't see how it was a chance to come clean or be held to a specific story. What story? After an epic wait he finally accused me or something solid, which I admitted instantly, as I said I would if it was true. Also EEVIL I don't use a hammer, rather I hammer into the ground. I think it's DK's horizontal smash move in brawl that buries them into the ground. No basically, in choosing to do the spin I stop them from receiving any info at all (I assume this means anything they might have observed even after being roleblocked). I thought this meant I could roleblock people without them knowing they would have been roleblocker. But, apparently not. The tracking thing - I see everyone who has ever targeted that person in the process by looking at the markings on them. So it becomes less useful throughout the game, but is still fairly useful overall. It does sound somewhat scummy that I can roleblock and stop people receiving additional info, but it is what it is. I was a bit shocked when I got my role PM, but in the end there's nothing I can do about it. DuD's game.

Well I'm happy to spend the rest of the game proving to people that my targets aren't scummy, and I'm open to target suggestions. I'd appreciate if there was one more remove vote to prevent a double voter hammer from hero or Yvonne (although that would be pretty suspect IMO).

Ok, the questions as far as I can see - Why not reveal when Rummy said the thing he knew was in the thread? Because revealing was not going to cause me to win the game, and because Rummy can't possibly have known everything about me (he may have known I targeted Magnus but that's about it). I was not ok with revealing all my info on D2 to someone who could have just openly said in a polite manner that he saw me target Magnus hence he was voting me. He instead dragged it on for pages and took rather a nasty tone with me. Why would DK result in that writeup? As DK I hammer people into the ground to roleblock people. Afterwards I have a choice to spin them around so they receive no detail of what happened during the night. Now I thought this would mean they get no PM which would at least mean they wouldn't know if they succeeded rather than think they were date raped. Instead this really is not much better than having not spun them. Because at the time it appeared like it might contradict Yvonne's statement which was casting me in a scummy light. Even without telling people that I was an info gatherer, being a roleblocker is enough to be a target of the Mafia.

In what parallel universe would I survive? All that would happen is that Rummy would probably have said that I was only answering because I was spotted by him. Him opening with a vote on me at the very beginning suggested he'd already made up his mind. Even if I had convinced town, the Mafia are hardly going to leave a roleblocker and info gatherer combo untouched, are they? No, even if Rummy claimed to know something he at least had the chance to not reveal it. If I revealed myself, there's no way I could win.

Even though I knew he probably knew something about me, he accused me of nothing. I'm not going to answer to someone who votes for me without clearly stating why. Why should I? It's not like he's going to to rally a lynch over nothing. Plus it almost seemed like he wouldn't reveal it given how long he dragged it on so at least in not bending I had a chance. Also note that initially it could have been he tracked me and knew I targeted Magnus, but at that point he had no idea that I was the one to roleblock him, it could have been someone else who targeted him. He was trying to extract a lot of information from potentially a small lead. Either way I have explained that there was no good outcome for me regardless of whether I revealed myself or he did.

Like I said though, I either reveal I'm a roleblocker with tracking abilities on D2 and probably be killed soon after given the lack of much else to go on for the Mafia, or potentially be outed by someone (who I did try to tell to employ tact). The Mafia could even have a redirector and get a 2 in 1 move by redirecting me at night if they don't want to kill me straight away. Either way there is no way out of this shitty situation. The best you can hope is to set a precedent - if I refuse to answer empty threats in future games people can't simply reason that I must be Mafia, as you'll known from this game.

Don't bother trying to justify his crappy reasoning. At the end of the day a threat is a threat. If he wants to tell me that he saw me do something, then by all means he can tell me this and I will explain it. I'm not going to reveal my character info at the beginning of D2 over absolutely nothing. I'm setting a precedent that I don't respond to empty threats: if it takes this game for me to establish that then so be it. I'm not having people basically stating 'I know what you did so tell me everything'. People might find that scummy now, but from now I'll just refer people to this to explain why I'm saying nothing and that it clearly doesn't mean I am Mafia. Even if there is a hint to suggest somebody knows something about me, it is just coward to accuse and vote for people without evidence. Mafia are just going to think they are info gatherers anyway so they may as well reveal their info. In fact your post makes less sense when you think about it Peeps- if I was Mafia, I'd be more inclined to reveal my info as soon as Rummy hinted he knew something given there's less chance of me being killed by the Mafia once my info was out since I was myself Mafia. I don't see how it's Mafia at all to not reveal something unless challenged on D2. The Mafia are still clearly capable of seeing Rummy's threat and are just as capable of revealing whether they are roleblockers or not as a result of this challenge. I know that as a town roleblocker there was probably no win for me here no matter what I did- either killed by lynch or killed by the Mafia for being a roleblocker and an info gatherer in one, before the end of the game is up (unless there are no night kills). I was therefore using a deterrent - Rummy was clearly very hesitant to commit to revealing anything about what he found out (and still is in many respects) so my best bet was to leave him to his own devices and allow him to either keep it to himself or share it. If he chose to reveal it, or if I revealed it, I'd most certainly be dead before then end of the game anyway - roleblocker and info gatherer in one. Lastly I'll say how one dimensional people are being. Rather than saying 'that's not a town thing to do', how about broadening your horizons rather than playing using a 'guide to Mafia behaviour' textbook that no doubt the Mafia live by. There's no reason to assume that everyone should conform to a specific play style. If I don't want to rise to a threat, so what? That doesn't mean I'm Mafia at all. At the end of the day I am guilty of being a roleblocker who had no intention of outing himself on the second day. And you're all guilty of using poor rationalising. Now, if anything else comes from this let it be Rummy's lynch. He has never played so aggressively before when town and never pushed a lynch so hard, nor been so utterly impervious to reason from the other side. His tracking info is legit but there's no reason to believe that he isn't Mafia. In fact he probably is Mafia, given how many there are. He could have accused me of something straight away like people normally do when starting a lynch. He has blown this way out of proportion over a simple principle - that I don't respond to empty threats. He milked this fact for several pages making it appear that I had plenty of chance and time to reveal something about myself - even though he knew straight away I was never going to do so So yeah, I will blame him for convincing you I am guilty, and you should too.

You're not voting at random though, let's not forget. This is the lynch that Rummy really pushed. Let's not forget this when it comes to the grand reveal. Like I say, I'd be extremely shocked if Rummy turned out to be town. His whole behaviour is completely different to how he is when he's town.

If it's not a 'town move' then why would the Mafia do it? It's not like the Mafia aren't constantly trying to appear as townies or something. Anyway that's really not true, given I have appealed to people countless times before when I've been town. In fact my last few games when I've been Mafia I've rarely appealed at all. Well I'm heading off now... I make that 5/8 votes. You'll know if the lynch happens that Rummy has screwed town with his one-dimensional rationalising and obviously I'd rather you didn't vote me. I will be really quite surprised if Rummy is town given how hard he has pushed (far harder than I have ever seen him do when playing as town), so I'd recommend sending everything you have at him when you see I'm town. Disregard his excuses about how it isn't an ounce his fault that we inevitably know will come; just exercise common sense. One last thing... could be whoever protected me stopped the kill. Maybe Magnus was the killer (I doubt, but he was stopped). One thing you know for sure is that I didn't try kill anyone last night, and as a roleblocker I may have even helped stop it. If anything gets taken away from this let it be that I don't answer empty threats, and won't ever do regardless of my alignment. It's really open to abuse and I'd rather people don't associate it with any one alignment.

Right, I'm confused, are you arguing that your pre-conception of 'town' behaviour is not something that Mafia adhere to? As in, what town normally do, Mafia will do.

It is a wrongful lynch. You have the power to rise up and change things.

See, there is no such thing as 'playing as town'. Mafia are all doing that, it's all the rage these days. It is your job, in the absence of concrete evidence, to gauge as a player the personalities and traits of various other players and decide accordingly. For instance, how likely are you able to extract information out of Sheikah on D2 by threatening him with nothing? Turns out, not very likely. Maybe you can claim not to have known that, but now you will know. At least now there will be a precedent - I'm not going to answer people who vote for me with no evidence. It doesn't mean I'm hiding anything, it means that I'm not going to reveal my role that early and get myself killed by the Mafia. Plus it helps when I am Mafia! Either way it's a decent position to adopt. If people are going to out me instead then there's nothing I can do about it, except perhaps return the favour in future games and cause a sort of stalemate truce.

Rummy lynch. There's no way a townie drives a wrong lynch this hard. It's a shame Magnus because, unless you're playing a really artful game as a Mafioso (which I would seriously credit at the end), I had you down as someone pretty good at sussing me, like the last game. I will say though, Rummy has been really quite insulting throughout a lot of the game (and at the end of the last game), and not once has apologised. I did also comment that Yvonne could have been stopped while Rummy wasn't before you picked up on this, a few posts back. While it's a possibility, I would still term this a potential contradiction until it was further investigated.

Hehe, sure. Because all townies react one way to a situation, and all Mafia another way. Because people are so easy to work out, that's why town always wins! Everyone should confess their role, target choice and night activities upon being told 'confess, I know what you did.' I'm so glad you cleared that up. I has been really confused up til now.

In which case I apologies sincerely. I never meant to offend, it was a knee jerk response at being accused of something and I'm sorry. Since I know I'm town having to deal with hordes of people accusing me of being Mafia/scumlike when I'm not is pretty tiring. It just came at a bad time. Anyway given @Rummy's conviction he's very likely Mafia I think. Yvonne is worth checking out. Hero put a pretty dodgy vote down before, but it could have been he hadn't read properly.

It isn't, you clearly said your behaviour is irrelevant. In no circumstance is behaviour ever irrelevant, to anything in this game. @Rummy how confident are you in your Mafia sussing abilities? I'm just milking this moment.

Really? I didn't get that from him. His behavior is irrelevant at least, can't mine be too? Yeah, it'll be a sad place without bananas.

Fine, it was a bit harsh. I'm just a bit cranky right now. But in essence you hadn't read the topic and were trying to lecture me in a way I found condescending, and in its own way insulting. Anyway, you can see Yvonne had said it, and that was my basic point. I'm rather annoyed already by the back and forth of this, rather like the last game, it's just fucking relentless and unlucky this game that I happened to be targeted by someone who clearly wants blood/lynch/whatevs.

Read or GTFO. Seriously. Your contribution to this game has had less worth than a piss stain in all honesty, to think you can lecture is frankly a joke. :p Yep, classic Mafia tactic, you got me. Wow, I've been so had. Can't believe you saw through me in all honesty.

Wow, way to push a lynch. I haven't seen you play this aggressively ever. Really. Even though your info is legit, there's no reason for me to think you're not pushing so hard for scummy reasons.

@Nintendohnut I did offer up the possibility