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This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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I dont expect anyone to be greatful waht i do expect is the govenment to hold up there end of the deal and be a responsable employer and minimise risk just as every civilian employer has to. There will always be risk i dont dispute that, there will always be death i dont dispute that. But many of the current deaths are avoidable. But it does effect you. This country was a safe haven for terror. (do not confuse iraq and afghan) At least on of the london bombers had trained in afghan fact. The majority of people have never been in a fire or an ambulance so are no better served by either of thos services either going off your logic. You miss the point we know there will be deaths, we all knew this the day we signed up. BUT that does not mean the govenment can send lads to there deaths without having to answer for each and everyone. If a lads gets shot in the face thats unavoidable. If a lad gets blown up in a land rover, when the govenment has know for the last 8 years they are not safe or fit for purpose that is avoidable. Keeping fighting over the same land for years on end is pointless. To move the war on we need to be able to hold the land and prevent them coming back until they are eventually squeazed out/killed. This dosent endanger more lifes. This means you dont have to attack a village every year or every other year. Well maybe someone should have told the grining muppet tony blair this before he got us in above our heads. And the RBL have figures sugesting that in large citys over 50% of homless people are ex servicemen with mental health issues caused by serving who have just been abandoned by the govenment. So theres a good chance you would be doing us a favour any way. I fail to see how anyone can even promote the idea that lads should be sent to fight without the risks being minimised. The mind boggles. -
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I would seriously advise you that you speak to an acountant then. As far as i am aware you could stand to gain a lot of money. If you are outside of the UK for x amount of days every year you are exemt from tax at least a certain ammount. I know some people choose to carry on paying there national insurance though. Other wise you will loose out in old age. -
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This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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Post of the thread. Bassically my point but i dont have as good skills with my words. No there is not. You bassicaly go to prison. The same applys to the police. But for some reason that is beyond me not the fire brigade. I think you didnt understand what i meant. the post i was commenting on implied that the bottom 10% of a class joins the millitary, simply not true. The lowest 10% sign on for life. That dosent mean everyone who claims benefits. Just the people who make a career out of it. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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Depends how long hes working there for. It is true i have several friends in the merchant navy. They do no pay tax. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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HAHAHA my wages didnt go up anything like 200%. I got about £6 a day extra. And somehting like £1400 tax relief, which we only get to compensate for the fact we get taxed for working abroad where as any civilian who works abroad does not. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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That video is really ignorent and offensive. I deffinatly wasnt in the bottom 10% of my class. Neither are a lot of people in the millitary. And the ones that are.... well so what at least they have done something rather than collecting there giro like the rest of the loosers in this country. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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No but your missing the point. Im not complaining about being put in harms way. Neither is anyone else. But people are complaining about being put in harms which there is no need for. The army is stillusing equipment which was was built in the 1950s. Snatch landrovers have been proved time and time again to provide no protection. Bassicaly were asking for personal protective equipment. Which would be provided to anyone else in any other job. Just our job requires some very different PPE. You woudnt expect a fireman to go in to a burning building without the correct PPE. SO why is it ok to send men to war with the incorect protective equipment? We all know there is the chance of dieing. But this should be minamised. Just as it would be in industry. If a factory had a few deaths that were preventable the bosses would be charged with corparate manslaughter. So how is sending men out in snatch land rovers any different? The war has been ongoing for 8 years that is true. until 2006 we were bassicaly peacekeeping in kabul. And there had been something like 20 deaths. Mostly accidents and suicides. In 2006 we moved to Helmland and it got very very different. There was also a lot higher troop numbers in all those conflicts. Ie more people to catch it up. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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There is money it just goes to people who a born and die in benfits. Who claim benefits because they get more in doing so than they would in working. The govenment has its prioritys wrong. 20 a year? I dont not think so. If there is no money then the govenment should not place people in danger. But they have so they should do everything in there power to make the money available to win the war and secure the countrys safety. Well i joined to serve my country and do something to help the world and the people in it. Not to go on operation certain death. I have no wish for my body or more likely pieces of my body to be returned to the UK in a box. Im aware that it is a possablity but it is my belief that everything that can possibly done to prevent it should be done. The americans got there heads of the services out to afghanistan and said what do you need? Our generals have said we need 2000 more men so that we can hold land we are taking rather than allowing the taliban back in. The govenment said no on financial grounds. Its getting to the point of WW1 and sending men over the top. Why where at a standstill we cant move the war forward. Were just loosing more good young men and women. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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Well if your opinion is that my friends and colleagues should be catching it up in record numbers with no end in sight. Just because of fiscal concerns then yes your opinion is wrong. If your opinion is we shoudnt be there, then your opionion isnt wrong but flawed at best. If you think people who join the millitary know deaths are inevertable and should deal with it then you are a fool. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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But the govenment employ these people and put them in harms way, so should therefore take car of them. Hence the difference. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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I would like to hear what your opinions. I would not start name calling, as people have done to me on these forums but i would probably tell you why your opinions are wrong. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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Share your opinion. I would be intrested to hear it. -
This is what 8 years of fighting war on a peace time budget has done....
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No helicopters are deperatly needed. We have to move on the road due to the lack of them. This is by far the most dangerous place. You can only do so much to prevent hitting IEDs and mines. But if you move by helicopter you are not going to be affected by them. And as for the comment about no political party saying they will pull us out. Thats because it is not an option. If afghanistan falls to the Taliban again stand by for carnage here in the UK. In 2001 it was America and they would still be there top target, But if the mission there fails we are in much more danger espessialy seen as there is a minority (very small) of British muslims who have been led to believe that jihad is in some way acceptable and would be willing to unleash it on the streets of the UK. Many of the accidents are air accidents, some of which are pritty unavoidable considering the condiaitons which flying is taking place. And some of which are avoidable ie having up todate aircraft. Other accidents will just happen sometimes when you have 8000 people on the ground with a multitude of weapons systems. Other accidents are RTA theres no such thing as 'driving hours' when you are on operations. It once took a vehicle i was in 14 hours to drive 80 miles. You cant pull over at a service station to stop. -
15 brave soldiers killed in a space of 10 days. This level of casualties has not be seen since the falklands. But unlike the falklands this is no 'suprise' conflict we have been in afghanistan now for the best part of 8 years. And yet the govenment is still trying to do things on the cheap. Top people in the millitary have said that at least another 2000 soldiers are needed now to allow us to move forward and be able to hold groun that we have taken, rather than allowing it to fall back in to enemy hands again. We have no where near enough helicopters deployed to afghanistan. The reasons for us not having these troops and equipment are very simple COST. But in by not paying in financial terms we are paying a much higher price. All over the country and infact the commonwealth mothers, fathers, wifes are getting that dreaded knock at the door to tell them that there husband, son, wife or daughter is not going to come home again. If the labour govenment is going to place people in the line of danger then they should be willing to do the decent thing and give them what they need to do the job with the least ammount of danger. We in the millitary are under no illusion when we join. People will die. But there is no excuse for people dieing due to lack of the correct equipment. I ask you to think about the familys of the 184 people that have died in afghan and the 179 who did die in iraq whn Gordon Brown finally does the one decent thing he can do and calls a general election.
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Hes a Fucking legend. About 98% of the people who he has on his show are the scum which is a fucking burden and bassically just general oxygen thieves. I only wish they had a fireing squad on there and jezza could do a thumbs up thumbs down style thing (ala gladiator) to decide if the guests are allowed to carry on stealing my oxygen.
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Its a myth. They can cancel your order just as in any shop they could refuse to sell something at the incorect price. But most places do honour the prices. But they dont have to by law.
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But i think its a safe bet that there would be countrys that would develop a weapon and then they could hold there world to ransom. It would only take one country. Its a nice idea but it just woudnt work.
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But suerly countrys having these weapons guarantees they will not be used? Seems to have worked since 1945. Personally i dont want to risk finding out if it would work without countrys having them.
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No they are planning or at least talking about gettting rid of them. Well not getting rid of them but not replacing the submarines as they come to the end of there working life. No submarines means no nuclear weapons. Every way of launching these weapons has been looked in to an for the UK submarines is the only real way. Air is a non starter the planes could be shot down far to easily, if they were to be ground operated an area nearly the size of wales would be needed. ships could be done but there are so many advantages to them being on subs to make it a non starter. And trust be we have not signed a treaty to say we will get rid of our weapons. Just ones that say we wont get any more. Although we are allowed to replace existing ones. We have agreed to try and reduce them. Its about money FACT.
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Its got nothing to do with treatys. Just money. But is it a false economy?
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The point was we might not have any in 20 years time. Just in time for any of these states to develop there own. Im not saying we should have more than we have. We could probably manage with less. But having a nuclear deterant has stopped anyone using them. Do you think america would have used them in 1945 if japan had also had them?
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Have enough what?