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In this instance you must first connect your Xbox 360 to your HDTV via a component cable, then insert the xbox disc, the game will update, now you can use it with your VGA cable on your monitor. :)

So wait, this happens even with the downloadable ones? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

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So wait, this happens even with the downloadable ones? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Nu-uh... just the Xbox original discs, downloadable ones are unaffected.

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Nu-uh... just the Xbox original discs, downloadable ones are unaffected.

Ah thought so. iPaul was also talking about dl ones so I got mixed up :P

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i got a 120gb hhd now worked fine transfering from 20 to 120 :) dont have to delete stuff all the time now :D

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WSJ: Sony paid for 360's development!?

 

Like dynasties rising and falling, videogame systems enjoy periods of ascendancy and popular support, only to be thrust aside by a new and conquering power. First came Magnavox Odyssey (in the 1970s), then Atari consoles, then Nintendo, which dominated the market for the better part of the 1980s. In the early 1990s, Nintendo's Super NES and Sega MegaDrive battled each other for supremacy. Each found enough competitive room to lay the groundwork for the modern videogame console, which has become something like a dedicated personal computer.

 

It was in the mid-1990s that Sony dropped Playstation into the console market -- a graphics powerhouse that featured games for adults as well as for kids. Playstation was a huge success, selling more than 100 million units. Its 2000 sequel, the Playstation 2, was an even bigger one.

 

For the system's ambitious third iteration, though, Sony wanted an entirely new processing architecture. Most computer processing chips are built on the foundations of the chips that are already in use. Designing a new chip from the ground up is a costly and time-intensive process. So in 2001 Sony partnered with Toshiba and IBM to create the so-called Cell processor -- a chip so powerful that it would redefine PC-scale power.

 

David Shippy, as it happens, was in charge of designing the brains of the Cell, the processing core. In "The Race for a New Game Machine," he and his co-worker Mickie Phipps tell the story of the whole effort to build the Cell. They also describe how the project went off the rails, ending up with IBM engineers creating the processing chips for two rival videogame consoles and, along the way, delivering to Sony Corp. one of its greatest business failures.

 

When the companies entered into their partnership in 2001, Sony, Toshiba and IBM committed themselves to spending $400 million over five years to design the Cell, not counting the millions of dollars it would take to build two production facilities for making the chip itself. IBM provided the bulk of the manpower, with the design team headquartered at its Austin, Texas, offices. Sony and Toshiba sent teams of engineers to Austin to live and work with their partners in an effort to have the Cell ready for the Playstation 3's target launch, Christmas 2005.

 

But a funny thing happened along the way: A new "partner" entered the picture. In late 2002, Microsoft approached IBM about making the chip for Microsoft's rival game console, the (as yet unnamed) Xbox 360. In 2003, IBM's Adam Bennett showed Microsoft specs for the still-in-development Cell core. Microsoft was interested and contracted with IBM for their own chip, to be built around the core that IBM was still building with Sony.

 

All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony's primary videogame-console competitor. The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it.

 

Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps detail the resulting absurdity: IBM employees hiding their work from Sony and Toshiba engineers in the cubicles next to them; the Xbox chip being tested a few floors above the Cell design teams. Mr. Shippy says that he felt "contaminated" as he sat down with the Microsoft engineers, helping them to sketch out their architectural requirements with lessons learned from his earlier work on Playstation.

 

The deal only got worse for Sony. Both designs were delivered on time to IBM's manufacturing division, but there was a problem with the first chip run. Microsoft had had the foresight to order backup manufacturing capacity from a third party. Sony did not and had to wait another six weeks to get their first chips. So Microsoft actually got the chip that Sony helped design before Sony did. In the end, Microsoft's Xbox 360 hit its target launch in November 2005, becoming its own success. Because of various delays, the Playstation 3 was pushed back a full year.

 

Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps view the delivery of the Cell processor and the derivative Xbox chip as victories for both companies. "Both Sony and Microsoft were extremely successful at achieving their goals," they write. But this is true only in the narrowest sense. The new chips certainly set the standard for technical virtuosity. Yet the current generation of videogame console has been dominated not by Sony or Microsoft but by the Wii, Nintendo's modest machine that relies on an older, cheaper and less powerful chip. With an input device that allows players physically to interact with games, the Wii has been yet another runaway success, selling almost as many consoles as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined.

 

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In fact, the Playstation 3 now runs a distant third in sales. (And the trend is downward: On Monday, The Wall Street Journal reported that "U.S. sales of the PS3 fell 19% last month from a year earlier, while sales doubled for the Wii console and rose 8% for the Xbox 360.") For Sony, the Cell processor was such a debacle that two weeks after the Playstation 3 finally appeared in stores, the company fired Ken Kutaragi, the head of its gaming unit, who had championed the Cell and built the Playstation line. The lesson, lost on Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster.

 

Mr. Last is a contributing editor of the Weekly Standard.

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Lol thats awesome, M$ using part of the PS3 to make the 360, then again it's something Sony are no stranger to, the original Playstation was co developed as the SNES CD drive alongside Nintendo.

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That... looks... awsome ^^ it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed's graphical style which I loved.

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since i'm stuck at home with the family, i was wondering which ONE title you are looking forward to most in the new year......I would say Resi 5 but Street Fighter 4 jus looks bloody immense! Definitely my title that im uber excited about! And its released on my bday! woo

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That... looks... awsome ^^ it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed's graphical style which I loved.

 

Huh? I'm confused.

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That... looks... awsome ^^ it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed's graphical style which I loved.

 

you what? looks gash.

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Lord of the Rings: Conquest MP demo is up for downloading (At 30% here)

 

Looking forward to this as I loved the Battlefront games!

 

Go go, get downloading and lets do some MP <3

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Posting in here, because need a few questions answered. (and you people are great :heh: )

 

Anyway, my 360 RROD a few days ago, and I've not even had it a year yet.

 

So because it is within that 1st year, it still gives me the option to take it back to Game and exchange it for a brand-new one.

 

Right now here's the problem. Because they've changed the size of the HD now, I'm feeling like grabbing the 60GB and letting them take in my 20GB as faulty......problem is I have quite a few downloadable games on that hard-drive and I'd like to know whether I'd be fine to just download them again to my new 360 and its new 60GB hard-drive with no problems whatsoever.

 

The reason I ask this is because I've heard about DRM issues, and also the fact that downloaded games are tied to the 360 they are purchased on?

 

If anyone can answer my concerns here would be greatly appreciated. I just feel that because I'm within a year that I should just try and take that 60GB hard-drive with the swapped hardware and let them take my 20GB as faulty.

 

Edit - Just going to say that I would love some help with this by late tonight, as meant to be exchanging tomorrow morning at some point.

 

Edit2 - I've found my answer. Just use the new DRM transfer tool on the xbox website that MS put in place 6 months ago.

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If you have an xboxlive silver account can you still play multiplayer online for arcade games you buy? Interrested in buying age of booty but wont buy it if i have to get a gold membership to play online aswell :indeed:

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Damn! I forgot to buy a subscription card and Microsoft just took £40! Damn.

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Anyway, my 360 RROD a few days ago, and I've not even had it a year yet.

 

So because it is within that 1st year, it still gives me the option to take it back to Game and exchange it for a brand-new one.

 

 

I wouldn't be too sure you will get an exchange fella, if it breaks after 30 days retailers send consoles for repair :(

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Get a years in-store warranty with Game if it becomes faulty.

 

Managed to swap it for another console, and plus let them take my 20GB HD so I could have a 60GB. So no complaints here. :heh:

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LOTR: Conquest demo states that the demo is not representative of the final title. I can only hope that the final game is a hell of a lot better than that piece of crap I just played. It looks sub-par for a 360/PS3 title and lets face it, the online is a shambles. They're pushing the online 16 player battles but really when you can finally get a connection it's awful. Connection problems, huge lag and virtualy unplayable. The game is out in just under two weeks so I can't honestly see how the demo can't be representative of the final game.

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