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Visions releases tomorrow and it's apparently another hit for Disney Star Wars. Reviews are glowing.

Looking forward to your thoughts @Julius whenever you get round to watching them. I'll prob split the series over the next few days.

 

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I watched the first four Visions episodes. Not really feeling it yet. They're a bit boring so far, although the last one seemed a bit better. I don't know if 15 mins is just too short to tell a complete story, but so far they're all a bit meh.

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Enjoyed Visions a lot, some episodes obviously more than others. I'm glad I spread it out over a few days because a lot of the episodes have very similar storylines. That would be my only negative really. I guess when you give an anime studio carte blanche to tell a Star Wars story, they're all going to involve Jedi and lightsaber duels. In order of preference...

The Ninth Jedi: Really loved this one, great concept. Would love to see more
TO-B1: Very surreal but I had a great time with it. Beautiful
The Duel: Another stunner. Amazing animation, action and character designs
The Elder: Enjoyed the surreal, creepy vibe of this

Tatooine Rhapsody: Enjoyed this more than I thought I would
The Twins: Very out there! Cool action. Really terrible and stiff dialogue
The Village Bride: People seem to really love this one. I was pretty meh on it. 

Akakiri: Weird and a bit all over the place.
Lop & Ocho: Terrible. Actively hated it.

Would love to see a season 2, but give it to some other animation studios around the world please. There's so much potential.

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Glad to see you enjoyed it @Ronnie. I've kind of been dragging my heels on it as I l started sinking my teeth into The Sopranos a couple of weeks back, and it's proving veeeeeeery difficult to drag myself away from it; the only way I would right now is by treating Visions like a film and digesting it all in one go, but that doesn't seem like the best way to take it in from what you're saying. 

9 hours ago, Ronnie said:

Would love to see a season 2, but give it to some other animation studios around the world please. There's so much potential.

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...okay, half-jokingly but also half-seriously, I hear what you're saying and I'd love to see some other studios take a crack at it. One of those things where I think Star Wars is a big enough pie for everyone to get a chance to take it on. 

But western animation has been in a bind for a long time, almost fully transitioning to 3D, with a lot of 2D projects these days (such as Cartoon Network shows) being outsourced to Asia (often South Korea). 

I think one of the key reasons Visions could be made in the was because anime studios already have the infrastructure and organisation in place to crank out relatively short episodes in a reasonable amount of time (and for most of these studios it's worth remembering it was likely a side project). Not only that, but with enough time and resource they can put out movie quality animation - many of these studios putting out episodic projects as well as films - whereas outside of big studios in the West (such as PIXAR, DreamWorks, WB Animation and Illumination), because of the focus on 3D films these days, I think it just wouldn't be as practical.

That's not to say that there aren't teams that I wouldn't love to see tackle Star Wars from the West though - Laika and Cartoon Saloon come to mind in particular - but those teams in particular are in a very niche corner of animation as it is, and it wouldn't surprise me if they simply didn't have the time and manpower to turn something around in a reasonable timeframe for a project like this. 

And I hear you on the Jedi and lightsaber duels, even without watching the series yet, because it was something I was concerned about based on the trailers. With 10 - 22 minutes to work with, I'm not surprised by what @bob said about it being too short a time to tell a story, and I think the decision to go a certain way by some of these studios is because they're basically auditioning pretty openly to be part of a potential second season (or even crazier, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney had at the back of their minds to ask for a miniseries from some of the studios with more positively received episodes) or just want to put something out to grab the eyes of Star Wars fans - I mean, this could be their only chance to work on Star Wars!

But, at the same time, it sounds like it might have worked out better if some treated this like a pilot episode rather than a short. I won't go any deeper than that until I've watched it, but from every short I've watched, going too large in scale can easily backfire, and so it's generally better to focus in on something intensely. An intense match of Dejarik? A night in the Mos Eisley cantina? An Imperial cadets' classroom? A high stakes game of Sabacc? There's so much they could do. 

Which other animation studios would you like to see tackle Visions or some other potential projects in the future? I've got a few in mind, but I'll wait until I've watched the series first :p

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38 minutes ago, Julius said:

But western animation has been in a bind for a long time, almost fully transitioning to 3D, with a lot of 2D projects these days (such as Cartoon Network shows) being outsourced to Asia (often South Korea). 

*Cough* English-speaking Western animation studios

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14 minutes ago, Ashley said:

*Cough* English-speaking Western animation studios

Yeah, probably a bit of a generalisation on my part, but I think the core of it rings true. I'll rephrase it to "popular and mainstream Western animation", but my main point is that in terms of global awareness and sheer output of Western animation, I'd say it's unfortunately an accurate depiction of how it is these days. 

Outside of Japanese animation and the use of foreign studios for cheap labour, foreign language animation itself is an incredibly niche corner of the industry. I'd love some examples of studios that fall outside of this, because I'm genuinely having a hard time locating more than just a few! 

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Yeah I was pulling your leg mostly but it did make me think I'd love to see what some French studios did with the franchise.

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3 hours ago, Julius said:

the only way I would right now is by treating Visions like a film and digesting it all in one go, but that doesn't seem like the best way to take it in from what you're saying. 

Everyone is different so maybe you would respond to doing that well but it definitely wouldn't have been for me, especially as someone new to anime. The storylines are very similar. Like I said that's my one negative really, the smaller ideas you came up with off the top of your head would be great, but the 9 stories here are all Jedi related because you give a studio 1 story to tell, they're going to go Jedi. No spacebattles either so you can imagine how I felt about that. 

Each episode also has a 5-10 minute behind the scenes feature in the Extras section, so that might increase your play time. 

3 hours ago, Julius said:

Which other animation studios would you like to see tackle Visions or some other potential projects in the future?

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I've honestly no idea. It was spoken from a position of complete ignorance. I know nothing about animation studios around the world apart from the big boys in the West obviously.

My point was more because I can't say I love the anime aesthetic a lot of the time (even though a lot of the episodes here are beautiful). My comment was mostly inspired by this tweet:

 

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Going to contradict myself a bit and say Cartoon Saloon (unless we class them as a Gaelic speaking studio but not sure if they do). They're the studio behind Secret of Kells, The Breadwinner, Song of the Sea. Theirs is the second one in the tweet Ronnie posted (top right).

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Hopefully it's short so there isn't a long wait for Mandalorian. Still odd that one of the few characters worse than Jar Jar is getting his own show.

 

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The Christensenaissance continues. 

As originally reported by THR:

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Hayden Christensen is staying in the fold of the Galactic Empire.

The actor will reprise his role of Anakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vader, in Ahsoka, the latest Star Wars live-action series from Lucasfilm and Disney+, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

And then all but officially confirmed by Rosario Dawson:

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Done dirty by the execution of the prequels which pretty much killed his career, I'm glad that Hayden is seeing the love from fans he deserves, such as when he was at SWC 2017 for the opening 40th Anniversary panel and got a standing ovation. Finally gets the chance to prove those who hated Anakin in the prequels that it wasn't entirely down to his performances, which I always thought was obvious. I really don't think it's a coincidence that some of Anakin's best scenes in the prequels are scenes where he's not speaking, such as the staring off into the Coruscant skyline after the Siege of the Jedi Temple in ROTS, or when he slaughters the Tusken Raiders in AOTC. 

Also gives another show where we can hope for a live-action flashback to The Clone Wars era stuff, and seeing the actors in live-action versions of their animated counterparts' costumes would be awesome. 

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Force ghost Anakin conversing with Ahsoka?? Fans would lose their mind! It's a shame this leaked, would have been an incredible moment if it happened with no prior knowledge. 

I wasn't a fan of Anakin in the prequels at all but a big chunk of that was down to the terrible script. Glad he gets to come back and right a few wrongs.

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1 hour ago, Ronnie said:

Force ghost Anakin conversing with Ahsoka??

Looks over at the sequel trilogy

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Of all of the things they managed to mess up in those films, not seeing Anakin's force ghost at the end of IX and never seeing him actually talk to Ben or Luke is high on the list of things that deeply irk me. Kylo was on Mustafar at the start of IX, for crying out loud! Hurts even more when they had some interesting concept art for him potentially turning up in the trilogy, such as:

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But yes, absolutely agree it would be great to see him talking to Ahsoka, though I'm not quite sure what could be so important for him to turn up here and not in the sequels if it is as a force ghost and not a flashback (and I doubt I'm the only one who would question it). For that reason I'm probably a bit more excited to see him in Kenobi at the moment, even if I am way more nervous about his inclusion there. 

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57 minutes ago, Julius said:

Of all of the things they managed to mess up in those films, not seeing Anakin's force ghost at the end of IX and never seeing him actually talk to Ben or Luke is high on the list of things that deeply irk me.

I dunno, seems a bit fan-servicy to me. Anakin talking to Ben I could maybe appreciate, to show how conflicted he was or something like that but I don't think it was necessary. Anakin talking to Luke just wouldn't have fit at all imo. The Yoda + Luke scene was perfect though :heart:

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