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7 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Couple more Emmy's last night

Great to see Goransson's work recognised, really well deserved. Love the overall score to each episode and the main theme was instantly memorable.

Yeah, the guy is craaaaaazy talented, well deserved. I mean, he's 36 years old, and off the top of my head he's done the Creed films, Black Panther, Tenet, Community (watching it through for the first time myself - for a sitcom, it's insane just how much variety there is, of course perfectly suiting the variety of antics on the show) and Mando. 

His work on Mando in particular is so distinct in that it kind of throws out all the old and starts fresh. It's such a unique and new soundscape for Star Wars. No Force theme, no Main/Luke's Theme, no Imperial March. The foundational influence from Williams is still distinctly present, purely in it still having memorable leitmotifs, but it changes things. Mando and this corner of the galaxy doesn't know about the Jedi? No Force Theme. Perfection. 

As much as I love John Williams, and the sequel trilogy still has some great tracks and themes (the leitmotifs for Kylo and Rey, I think, are the highlights) it just felt so derivative of the original trilogy, even more so when compared with his work on the prequels. The prequels had a similar soundscape but still had many wonderful tracks (Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, and Battle of the Heroes of course being the Big Three) and felt like it was still fresh. Like the films themselves in the end, the scores for the sequel trilogy to me just didn't do enough new, and it got to the point where I could predict the Force Theme was coming up (which we were beaten over the head with by the way, and same goes for Rebel Fanfare). The Rise of Skywalker is particularly guilty of feeling like a greatest hits collection in this regard, but how about Into the Death Star bring used in the crystal maze on Crait in The Last Jedi? I still think the sequel trilogy's scores are superb, but it just wasn't exciting enough, and didn't feel like Star Wars for a new generation; it felt like Star Wars remixed for a new generation. 

And it's funny, because I loved Michael Giacchino's Rogue One score which was also very derivative (from A New Hope in particular), but it still felt fresh while being grounded in the old. John Powell's Solo score was also great, though again, too on the nose at times, such as with using The Asteroid Field for the Kessel Run. While Giacchino's and Powell's scores were still great in their own right, if felt like the methodology behind them was strictly to stick to Williams' template: Orchestra + Old Themes + Couple of New Themes + Choir = Star Wars score. 

But I think Mando is probably my favourite Star Wars soundtrack since the Disney takeover, purely because of how much it deviates from that formula (though it's worth mentioning that Rebels and The Clone Wars S7 scores also had some terrific stuff, and were honestly better than the Disney-produced films at times). It mixes the ideas of Williams with composers from Old Westerns and other Sci-Fi films, with Morricone in particular coming to mind for the former. Throw in the freshness of its modern sensibilities, and it's a fantastic melting pot of what influenced Star Wars, instead of being influenced by Star Wars, just like the show. 

I cannot wait to hear what he's got in store for us with this second season. I am still listening to the season one soundtrack on a regular basis, so I'm quite confident it will be great! :D

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10 minutes ago, Julius said:

Yeah, the guy is craaaaaazy talented, well deserved. I mean, he's 36 years old, and off the top of my head he's done the Creed films, Black Panther, Tenet, Community (watching it through for the first time myself - for a sitcom, it's insane just how much variety there is, of course perfectly suiting the variety of antics on the show) and Mando. 

His work on Mando in particular is so distinct in that it kind of throws out all the old and starts fresh. It's such a unique and new soundscape for Star Wars. No Force theme, no Main/Luke's Theme, no Imperial March. The foundational influence from Williams is still distinctly present, purely in it still having memorable leitmotifs, but it changes things. Mando and this corner of the galaxy doesn't know about the Jedi? No Force Theme. Perfection. 

As much as I love John Williams, and the sequel trilogy still has some great tracks and themes (the leitmotifs for Kylo and Rey, I think, are the highlights) it just felt so derivative of the original trilogy, even more so when compared with his work on the prequels. The prequels had a similar soundscape but still had many wonderful tracks (Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, and Battle of the Heroes of course being the Big Three) and felt like it was still fresh. Like the films themselves in the end, the scores for the sequel trilogy to me just didn't do enough new, and it got to the point where I could predict the Force Theme was coming up (which we were beaten over the head with by the way, and same goes for Rebel Fanfare). The Rise of Skywalker is particularly guilty of feeling like a greatest hits collection in this regard, but how about Into the Death Star bring used in the crystal maze on Crait in The Last Jedi? I still think the sequel trilogy's scores are superb, but it just wasn't exciting enough, and didn't feel like Star Wars for a new generation; it felt like Star Wars remixed for a new generation. 

And it's funny, because I loved Michael Giacchino's Rogue One score which was also very derivative (from A New Hope in particular), but it still felt fresh while being grounded in the old. John Powell's Solo score was also great, though again, too on the nose at times, such as with using The Asteroid Field for the Kessel Run. While Giacchino's and Powell's scores were still great in their own right, if felt like the methodology behind them was strictly to stick to Williams' template: Orchestra + Old Themes + Couple of New Themes + Choir = Star Wars score. 

But I think Mando is probably my favourite Star Wars soundtrack since the Disney takeover, purely because of how much it deviates from that formula (though it's worth mentioning that Rebels and The Clone Wars S7 scores also had some terrific stuff, and were honestly better than the Disney-produced films at times). It mixes the ideas of Williams with composers from Old Westerns and other Sci-Fi films, with Morricone in particular coming to mind for the former. Throw in the freshness of its modern sensibilities, and it's a fantastic melting pot of what influenced Star Wars, instead of being influenced by Star Wars, just like the show. 

I cannot wait to hear what he's got in store for us with this second season. I am still listening to the season one soundtrack on a regular basis, so I'm quite confident it will be great! :D

I wish I had your ear for soundtracks, I'll happily admit that a lot of the intricacies of film score goes over my head (had to look up what leitmotifs are :laughing:). Having said that I pretty much agree with most of the above. A melting pot of what influenced Star Wars, instead of being influenced by Star Wars is perfectly put, and that extends to the whole show. *Spoilers* When Baby Yoda lifted the mudhorn in episode 2, it would have been so easy to use the Force theme but no, they gave us something more in-keeping with the show (and it was fantastic). Really excited to see what he does next year, not long to wait now.

Using the asteroid field theme for the Kessel Run or Into the Death Star for Crait wasn't an issue for me at all, I agree they're safe choices that play on nostalgia, but it's easy to just consider them part of the Falcon's theme ! I do agree the prequels were more ambitious soundtrack wise (and I suppose, in general) than the sequels though. That said Rey's theme is beautiful, and I can't go one week without putting March of the Resistance on.

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The music of Mandalorian was the best thing about the first season. I wasn't that wowed by the rest of it, but kept watching just for that.

I hope season 2 is a bit better.

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According to Deadline, Black Mirror's Toby Haynes is taking over as director from Tony Gilroy on the Rogue One spin-off series for Disney+.

According to their sources it is due to travel and health concerns for Gilroy, and nothing more than that. Would be refreshing to have a director leave a Star Wars project for something other than "creative differences" for a change! :p

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XXX-wings please. The raunchier the better.

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Not watched this yet, but looking forward to it. Always fun seeing behind the scenes at ILM.

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New trailer

Looks great as expected, and I love how little they're really showing. I think the internet is getting annoyed the trailer didn't show enough new material :indeed: a big reason season 1 was so popular was that people went in pretty much blind and not knowing what to expect.

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Rumours going around earlier that Disney is going to be relocating Lucasfilm and it's divisions out of the Digital Arts Center in San Francisco's Presidio (ILM, ILMxLAB, Lucasfilm Animation, Consumer Products, Digital Media, Franchise Management) over to Burbank, along with Skywalker Sound (still located at Skywalker Ranch). 

Only surprising thing about this is that it's taken them this long to (seemingly) make the move. They've been paying George rent all these years and it's a six hour trip or thereabouts on Google Maps from there to the Disney lot in Burbank, but still, it does feel like the end of an era just thinking that Skywalker Ranch isn't going to be the home to any future Star Wars projects. 

Guess we'll have to wait and see, but now that we're just a week away from it being the 8th anniversary of the Disney purchase, I've got to ask: what does everyone think of how Disney has handled the franchise so far? 

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50 minutes ago, Julius said:

what does everyone think of how Disney has handled the franchise so far? 

Brave man asking that particular question on the internet :laughing: 

It's tough for me to separate what Disney has done vs what Lucasfilm has done so I'll just speak in general terms... For me, Disney Star Wars has re-invigorated my love for the franchise after I found the prequels so disappointing. They've obviously made some mistakes and I think if they could go back in time they'd have planned the sequel trilogy to be a bit more cohesive (though I still maintain The Last Jedi follows on from the Force Awakens perfectly well, it's only IX that throws things out the window). Obviously it's hard to talk about the production issues on a lot of films without knowing all the details. Drawing parallels with video games, it's funny to me that people praise Nintendo for looking at Metroid Prime 4's original development, seeing that it wasn't good enough, stepping in and starting over... but when Lucasfilm does similar with Star Wars films, they get criticised. That said I do think they could stand to be a tad less control-freak-y.

Sequel trilogy: Loved The Force Awakens, adored The Last Jedi, liked The Rise of Skywalker. Ok the story-telling overall wasn't the best/most original, but most everything else about the productions were top notch and it's given me some amazing iconic moments that I'll always remember fondly.

Rogue One / Solo: Loved them, Solo especially, and I'd love to see Gareth Edwards direct another film. I really hope we see more spin offs in future.

The Mandalorian: Fantastic, so excited for season 2.

Rebels:heart::heart::heart:

Resistance: I enjoyed it, but it was a huge step down from Rebels (and I assume Clone Wars)

Other stuff: People seem to have a great time at Galaxy's Edge, and EA have finally gotten their act together with Battlefront II, Fallen Order and Squadrons being really popular. Lucasfilm have done a nice job of growing the canon with books/tv series/games all inter-connecting with each other and filling in gaps. 

So yeah overall, I've had a great time the last 8 years. If you look at Marvel, their Phase 1 didn't get everything right either and it's not until the later years that things really took off and the quality was more consistently high. I'm confident Lucasfilm are in a much better position now moving forward with the last 8 years under their belt. Exciting!

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Season 1 recap of The Mandalorian:

believe the first episode will be going up at 07:00 GMT on Friday for us in the UK, as the US haven't changed their clocks back an hour yet (episodes are due to drop at midnight PT/03:00 ET). This will then like change to 08:00 GMT like it was last year once they change their clocks this weekend. 

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Quick and dirty predictions for season 2...

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The ice planet from the trailer will be Ilum/Starkiller Base, and 'someone' hint hint will be hanging out there, guarded by the New Republic...

The water world will be Mon Cala.

Title of Chapter 9 will be: The Mission

 

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