killthenet Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) So I ordered a 55" Sony 4K HDR TV. Including delivery it was only £759. So I'm pleased with that. Awesome man, I look forward to hearing your impressions of it and how it handles the PS4 Pro. I was always going to go get a PS4 Pro if it was out this year but an unexpected consequence of my pre-ordering if is how interested I've become in 4K HDR displays. It's hard to find much info on them for gaming beyond the really expensive ones and if your impressions of it are positive then i'll probably get one myself early next year. And Ronnie, it does produce 4K resolutions it just does so through clever processing rather than through sheer power. People doubt that the Scorpio will even be able to produce real 4K gaming as top end GPU's have struggled to do so on PC, only a handful of cards are able to do it. So the Scorpio will likely have to use a checkerboard aporoach like the PS4 Pro does to produce 4K images. The Scorpio is also still a concept, likely not to come out for another 12, maybe 14 months while the PS4 Pro is going to be available for purchase in a matter of weeks. The focus of the products seems to be different for each company too, with Microsoft clearly placing far more importance on Scorpio and Sony positioning the PS4 Pro as an addition to the Playstation family. From reading your posts your should be angrier at Microsoft because from the sounds of the Scorpio they won't be limiting developers by demanding their games also work on the standard Xbox One which could cause a much greater split in the user base than the PS4 Pro will. Edited September 9, 2016 by killthenet
Ronnie Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 Why does it bother you so much, your not being forced to buy one. Don't like it? Don't get one. You still get all the great new games. did you make this much fuss when every iteration of the 3ds got announced? I won't get one. This is a discussion board, and I'm sharing my views about it, if that's ok with you? From reading your posts your should be angrier at Microsoft because from the sounds of the Scorpio they won't be limiting developers by demanding their games also work on the standard Xbox One which could cause a much greater split in the user base than the PS4 Pro will. I'm not angry at Sony, I'm pleased they've given me no reason to upgrade. I'm just perplexed how they think a console like this was necessary or a good idea. Either start a new generation like Scorpio is (to be joined by PS5 sooner rather than later I suspect) or don't. Not this half way situation the "Neo" was rumoured to be doing.
Nolan Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 I'm not angry at Sony, I'm pleased they've given me no reason to upgrade. I'm just perplexed how they think a console like this was necessary or a good idea. Either start a new generation like Scorpio is (to be joined by PS5 sooner rather than later I suspect) or don't. Not this half way situation the "Neo" was rumoured to be doing. For months leading up to this announcement you were pissed that Sony was starting a new generation and you were positive that you'd have to spend money because your current PS4 would suddenly be obsolete. Now you're acting rather salty about the whole thing, and that bolded sentence really beats all. You were certain such rumors were wrong not too long ago. Further thinking on this. It somewhat reminds me of the Xbox 360, original release was no HDMI and no 1080p. Later on 1080p via component was added through firmware and hardware revisions added in a HDMI port. Upgraded power was necessary here, but the HDMI hardware also needed to be upgraded for 4K as well. It's a move designed to support more TVs more suitably.
Ashley Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 Either start a new generation like Scorpio is There's still a lot of mystery around Scorpio and how Microsoft plan to position it but we do know: It will play Xbox One games It will work with Xbox One accessories an controllers There will be no Scorpio exclusive games Doesn't sound much like a new generation to me. Of course Microsoft keep saying they want to move away from generations anyway.
Shorty Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 It may not play at native 4k but it will produce visuals in the living room in a way that you won't be able to do on a 1080p TV or with a normal PS4, and at a more reasonable price point than a 4k capable PC. I'm just perplexed how they think a console like this was [...] a good idea. The sales figures will answer this quite succinctly....
Ashley Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 Yeah about that... Also the gap between One and Scorpio is rather huge. VR seems uncertain. First party seems plain. Future strategy cloudy. What about that?
killthenet Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Choze means to say that Microsoft have actually been unclear on whether titles will be able to support every model of the Xbox One. There have been conflicting statements from Phil Spencer, other Microsoft executives and developers about just how much developers will use the extra horse power. Edited September 13, 2016 by killthenet
Ronnie Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 The sales figures will answer this quite succinctly.... It certainly won't sell big numbers, but will make Sony a few extra quid, which I'm sure was the aim while they prep PS5.
Sheikah Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 It certainly won't sell big numbers, but will make Sony a few extra quid, which I'm sure was the aim while they prep PS5. I get the feeling that no matter how well it will do, you will shrug it off as being small. Care to quantify what you think will be small numbers then and how long to achieve them?
Ronnie Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I get the feeling that no matter how well it will do, you will shrug it off as being small. Care to quantify what you think will be small numbers then and how long to achieve them? And I get the feeling that no matter how poorly it will do, you will hype it up as them "cleaning up" this Christmas. I've no idea how many units they'll sell at launch, but the fact that few people have 4K TVs and the terrible reaction from Playstation Meeting suggests it'll be very niche. It's just a luxury product that's just a bit pointless for the majority of people, certainly ones who already own a PS4 and only have a 1080p TV.
somme Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 To be fair I think, any sane person could agree, they've already "cleaned up" this generation. Anything else is just topping up. I really don't know why you bought a PS4 (except maybe for a lack of games elsewhere). You're almost universally critical of anything not on a Nintendo platform, and you pretty much praise anything Nintendo releases. And before you say "we all hate Nintendo" - no we don't.
Nolan Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 A lot of people have 4K TVs, or have interest in them. Most market projections show 4K as a relatively booming market with millions sold worldwide this year. I won't say they aren't a luxury item, but the prices of 4K vs 1080p TVs are extremely close to the point most people in the market for a TV will likely make the jump to 4K. It's not exactly an emerging market at this point, it's established and growing. As a bullshit guess, I wouldn't be surprised if 4K market penetration now is higher than HDTV (720/1080) penetration was 2005/2006 when the 360 and PS3 released tailored to HDTV gaming.
Rummy Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) And I get the feeling that no matter how poorly it will do, you will hype it up as them "cleaning up" this Christmas. I've no idea how many units they'll sell at launch, but the fact that few people have 4K TVs and the terrible reaction from Playstation Meeting suggests it'll be very niche. It's just a luxury product that's just a bit pointless for the majority of people, certainly ones who already own a PS4 and only have a 1080p TV. Can eradicate the ambiguity by providing your definition of 'big numbers' for this in advance....? To be fair I think, any sane person could agree, they've already "cleaned up" this generation. Anything else is just topping up. I'd agree with that - and I think the PS4Pro is going to do better than some people expect. I think a number of us here aren't big 4k techheads etc but there's a good few of them out there, and I think a lot of them are likely to be into Sony products. I think it's just like us attempting to comment on the general public/'non-core' gamers when it's just a demographic we don't get or aren't part of. I think PS4 will definitely have the most sales of this Christmas season across models, possibly seeing quite a jump in the presumably now cheaper older hardware models. I've just come to realise I can actually probably get a PS4 for the same as, if not less, than a WiiU right now. That's mad!! A lot of people have 4K TVs, or have interest in them. Most market projections show 4K as a relatively booming market with millions sold worldwide this year. I won't say they aren't a luxury item, but the prices of 4K vs 1080p TVs are extremely close to the point most people in the market for a TV will likely make the jump to 4K. It's not exactly an emerging market at this point, it's established and growing. As a bullshit guess, I wouldn't be surprised if 4K market penetration now is higher than HDTV (720/1080) penetration was 2005/2006 when the 360 and PS3 released tailored to HDTV gaming. Personally, I don't. Then again - I didn't have a HDTV to use until 2009; can you imagine my years playing the 360 on an old CRT?! Christ it was horrible in comparison - but then I didn't know the better world until I experienced it. I don't think I'll be getting anything 4k until it's just become an absolute industry standard and I can't actually buy a TV without it(and I've for some reason got the need to buy a new TV). Edited September 14, 2016 by Rummy
Sheikah Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 And I get the feeling that no matter how poorly it will do, you will hype it up as them "cleaning up" this Christmas. I've no idea how many units they'll sell at launch, but the fact that few people have 4K TVs and the terrible reaction from Playstation Meeting suggests it'll be very niche. It's just a luxury product that's just a bit pointless for the majority of people, certainly ones who already own a PS4 and only have a 1080p TV. So in other words you have the gall to say that the Pro was unnecessary and that that you have no idea why Sony is making it, yet now you don't have the balls to go on record for saying how poor you think it'll do. There's a U-turn hiding in plain sight.
drahkon Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 It'll probably sell more than the WiiU! I hope so, because if not we won't hear the end of it... :p
Shorty Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 It works both ways. If you think it will sell well, state a figure or a comparison that you expect it to achieve.
S.C.G Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I reckon it will sell at least... ...4K :awesome:
Daft Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I think there will be AT LEAST literally dozens sold.
Ronnie Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 So in other words you have the gall to say that the Pro was unnecessary and that that you have no idea why Sony is making it, yet now you don't have the balls to go on record for saying how poor you think it'll do. There's a U-turn hiding in plain sight. Oh please, it's not a U turn I just have no idea about console sales and figures. As Shorty says, it works both ways, why don't you provide a figure of what you think it will sell then? If I had to guess from a position of ignorance, I'd say maybe 3 or 4 million by the end of the year I guess? I just don't think it won't sell particularly well because, as anyone with two eyes would see, it's a very hard sell. I really don't know why you bought a PS4 (except maybe for a lack of games elsewhere). You're almost universally critical of anything not on a Nintendo platform, and you pretty much praise anything Nintendo releases. What utter, utter nonsense and so typical of the ultra defensive on here. I love my PS4. Watchdogs, Tomb Raider, Tearaway, Rocket League, AC Syndicate, The Order, Trials, Journey... all fantastic games that I enjoyed very much. I'm critical of the PS4 Pro and the PS4 UI, that's about it. I still prefer Nintendo games, they stick in my mind a lot longer and place the emphasis on gameplay, but as a system, I think the PS4 is fantastic. Just because I don't bow down to everything Sony do like some on here. If Nintendo had done such a piss poor presentation as that Playstation Meeting they would have gotten slaughtered on here for it.
somme Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 If Nintendo had done such a piss poor presentation as that Playstation Meeting they would have gotten slaughtered on here for it. It would nice if they actually had a presentation.
Rummy Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I think the issue is how you can say something like 'big numbers' but not quantify it - tbh for a product like this I actually think 3-4million by year end may be pretty good numbers! The PS4's almost 2 years old, with 40 million sales at Mayish - getting 10% of that in a year for the PS4KPro is pretty good imo! Once old stock is done - we're looking at the Slim and the Pro as the two available market models right? I'd like to say the Slim would do better by a ratio of X:Y - but the price difference might make some go for the Pro over the Slim to future-proof the console. Do we think Sony will sell at the current rate, and another 20mil in the next year? If so, I'd probably go with a figure like Ronnie's and say 15-25% of them will be Pro models. Be interesting to see if we ever get a breakdown of the different SKU sales. It would nice if they actually had a presentation. Why is the meeting still bring branded as a presentation, when it's clearly been aimed to not be?
somme Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 Why is the meeting still bring branded as a presentation, when it's clearly been aimed to not be? I have no idea - it was clearly a televised "meeting" as the name implied.
Ronnie Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 Nintendo should call all their Directs "meetings", it'll quash any criticism
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