Posted January 18, 2013 There is no doubt in my mind that they will have their big guns ready for the next Xbox and Playstation. If by some chance they do cock it up, it will be fine. Nintendo with their backs against the wall is the best Nintendo. ( see N64 & GC for details ) They better be ready. N64 & GC were good times. I can't remember any casual muck from back then released by Nintendo. Flash forward to now and you have Wii Fit, Wii Music, Nintendogs, Wii Sports, Brain Training and on and on. Even titles like Mario Kart Wii, NSMB Wii, Metroid: Other M and the holy grail Zelda: Skyward Sword made huge efforts to grab the casual audience. Where's the casual audience now? Is it still there to the same extent or have they moved on? Iwata apologised and admitted they made a mistake abandoning the hardcore audience for the casuals but talk is cheap. I don't see it yet. There launch games weren't targeted at the core crowd. Where's all the core 3rd party announcements? They may come to reap the rewards of what they sowed last generation. It was great at the time but in the long term it might have hurt them. Time will tell. Fingers crossed it'll be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 18, 2013 What makes you think that? Not a single Kinect game other than Kinect Sports has shifted over 1 million copies worldwide and the Kinect can't actually weigh you or keep track of your fitness progress (which is one of Wii Fit's biggest selling points) Not to mention that the Balance Boards are already out there, so there's no need for an expensive peripheral to be bought if they want the game (just the console) 18 mil kinects have been sold. I would be shocked if a percentage of that casual audience that bought the Wii didnt also go and buy the kinect. That's what the casual will do isnt it, move on to the next thing? I know the Wii U Fit has its own features which others dont but it's a different market to when Wii Fit came on the scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah, I really wouldn't believe any figures about Kinect coming from Microsoft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 19, 2013 They better be ready. N64 & GC were good times. I can't remember any casual muck from back then released by Nintendo. Flash forward to now and you have Wii Fit, Wii Music, Nintendogs, Wii Sports, Brain Training and on and on. Even titles like Mario Kart Wii, NSMB Wii, Metroid: Other M and the holy grail Zelda: Skyward Sword made huge efforts to grab the casual audience. Where's the casual audience now? Is it still there to the same extent or have they moved on? Iwata apologised and admitted they made a mistake abandoning the hardcore audience for the casuals but talk is cheap. I don't see it yet. There launch games weren't targeted at the core crowd. Where's all the core 3rd party announcements? They may come to reap the rewards of what they sowed last generation. It was great at the time but in the long term it might have hurt them. Time will tell. Fingers crossed it'll be good. I would actually hate for Nintendo to stop making games like Wii Sports/fit, brain training, nintendogs etc. I like that Nintendo can make games like that too, along side their Mario Galaxy's and Zelda games. Right now I don't see anything on the Wii U that would attract the same kind of people that bought the Wii sports style games. Nintendoland just doesn't fit that group in my opinion. Or at least the way it looks doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) UK - http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.j....jsp&ct=110032 Capcom end FIFA 13’s run at the top as ‘DMC’ (Devil May Cry) debuts at No1.It may be a quiet time of year, but it still represents Capcom’s first All Formats No1 since ‘Resident Evil 5’ back in week 13 2009 (Resident Evil 6 could only manage No2). Released on Tuesday and developed by Cambridge indie developer Ninja Theory (the first time a Devil May Cry title has been developed outside of Capcom), DMC sells over a third of what ‘Devil May Cry 4’ did at launch when it also reached No1, back in week 6 2008.‘FIFA 13’ (-40%) drops to No2 ahead of ‘Call of Duty: Black Ops II’ (-26%), while ‘Far Cry 3’ (-49%) falls 2 places to No4. There is no change at No5 and No6 with ‘Need for Speed Most Wanted’ (-35%) and ‘Just Dance 4’ (-18%) both non-movers. ‘Football Manager 2013’ (-16%) is up one place to No7, while sales of ‘Hitman Absolution’ (-50%) are cut in half, knocking it from No4 to No8. The Top 10 is rounded off by ‘Skyrim’ (-20%) at No9 and ‘Assassin’s Creed III’ (-21%) at No10. DMC is the only new release to chart this week. TOP 40 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE - INDIVIDUAL FORMATS (UNITS), WEEK ENDING 19 January 2013LW TW Title Format Label Publisher - 1 DMC XB360 CAPCOM CAPCOM - 2 DMC PS3 CAPCOM CAPCOM 2 3 FIFA 13 XB360 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS 3 4 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II XB360 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 1 5 FAR CRY 3 XB360 UBISOFT UBISOFT 4 6 FIFA 13 PS3 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS 8 7 JUST DANCE 4 WII UBISOFT UBISOFT 7 8 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II PS3 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 5 9 FAR CRY 3 PS3 UBISOFT UBISOFT 9 10 FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013 PC SEGA SEGA 11 11 THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 16 12 FORZA MOTORSPORT 4 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT 10 13 HITMAN ABSOLUTION XB360 SQUARE ENIX SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 15 14 NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED PS3 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 14 15 NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED XB360 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 16 HALO 4 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT 18 17 ASSASSIN'S CREED III XB360 UBISOFT UBISOFT 12 18 FORZA HORIZON XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT 13 19 HITMAN ABSOLUTION PS3 SQUARE ENIX SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 19 20 DISHONORED XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 28 21 GRAN TURISMO 5 ACADEMY EDITION PS3 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT. 17 22 WWE '13 XB360 THQ THQ 21 23 MARIO KART 7 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 23 24 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO - 25 PAPER MARIO STICKER STAR 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 26 26 SUPER MARIO 3D LAND 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 22 27 SONIC & ALL STARS RACING TRANSFORMED XB360 SEGA SEGA 29 28 WWE '13 PS3 THQ THQ 27 29 ASSASSIN'S CREED III PS3 UBISOFT UBISOFT 25 30 MEDAL OF HONOR: WARFIGHTER XB360 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 31 31 BORDERLANDS 2 XB360 2K GAMES TAKE 2 - 32 NBA 2K13 PS3 2K SPORTS TAKE 2 24 33 LEGO THE LORD OF THE RINGS XB360 WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 30 34 ZUMBA FITNESS 2 WII 505 GAMES 505 GAMES - 35 THE SIMS 3: SEASONS PC EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 37 36 DOOM 3: BFG EDITION XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 38 37 MARIO & SONIC LONDON 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES WII SEGA SEGA 20 38 ANARCHY REIGNS XB360 SEGA SEGA - 39 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 PS3 KONAMI KONAMI 40 40 SKYLANDERS GIANTS WII SKYLANDERS ACTIVISION BLIZZARD The UK market isnt great right now at all. Still no Wii U software charting and with no Nintendoland in there I think we are looking at sales of 5-6k so far in January. Edited January 21, 2013 by liger05 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 UK - http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.j....jsp&ct=110032 The UK market isnt great right now at all. Still no Wii U software charting and with no Nintendoland in there I think we are looking at sales of 5-6k so far in January. Patience youngling. These things take time People are less inclined to buy new consoles in the few weeks after Christmas, especially if the console is not discounted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Patience youngling. These things take time People are less inclined to buy new consoles in the few weeks after Christmas, especially if the console is not discounted. Oh I agree however I would still say nothing hitting the top 40 when the lowest selling games are probably selling 1000 copies is pretty bad. This was the case before christmas as well. Edited January 21, 2013 by liger05 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 With the Vita and the Wii U both dying a death, I wonder if the marketplace hasn't just become incredibly hostile to new products. I guess the 3DS breaks that trend but it had to have a massive price drop to do that. If Sony and Microsoft don't position their marketing properly next gen they could easily stall on launch, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 The UK market isnt great right now at all. Still no Wii U software charting and with no Nintendoland in there I think we are looking at sales of 5-6k so far in January. If the main console selling is the premium, then the chart sales of Nintendoland will be massively affected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) If the main console selling is the premium, then the chart sales of Nintendoland will be massively affected. Bundles are included. If Nintendoland isnt charting then the console isnt selling. The reason you GT5 and Forza 4 always in the top 40 is because of PS3/360 bundles. With the Vita and the Wii U both dying a death, I wonder if the marketplace hasn't just become incredibly hostile to new products. I guess the 3DS breaks that trend but it had to have a massive price drop to do that. If Sony and Microsoft don't position their marketing properly next gen they could easily stall on launch, too. Price will be a big thing. No way Sony makes the same mistake they did with PS3. I think both will be looking to sell for £399 max, possibly less if they can. People are ready to go and buy new Ipads and tablets every few months so I suppose it just takes the right product to get them to buy a new console. Also the PS3 and 360 are not going to vanish when the next consoles arrive. They will still sell very well due to cheap hardware and a deep library. Edited January 21, 2013 by liger05 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 Bundles are included. If Nintendoland isnt charting then the console isnt selling. The reason you GT5 always in the top 40 is because of PS3 bundles. I think you're misinterpreting bundles. Official bundles with games in tend not to count towards it if I recall correctly. Bundles in stores, however, do. Say that GAME are selling a Premium Set but with Zombi U as well in a bundle. The ZombiU will go towards the sales, NintendoLand would not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 I think you're misinterpreting bundles. Official bundles with games in tend not to count towards it if I recall correctly. Bundles in stores, however, do. Say that GAME are selling a Premium Set but with Zombi U as well in a bundle. The ZombiU will go towards the sales, NintendoLand would not I always thought they were included http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/premium-wii-u-bundle-claims-60-per-cent-of-launch-sales/0107412 Nintendo’s high-end Premium Wii U SKU was by far the most attractive to UK buyers over the console’s launch weekend. That’s according to data from GfK Chart-Track, which says that the £300 bundle won around a 60 per cent share of the console’s launch weekend sales. The ZombiU bundle accounted for 30 per cent, leaving Nintendo’s entry-level 8GB Basic pack grabbing just 10 per cent. The machine was helped by a 24-strong launch software line-up what Chart-Track describes as “more than any other home console ever launched in the UK”. Wii launched with just 14 games, for instance. The highest Wii U entry in the software charts was bundled game Nintendo Land, although it failed to break into the Top Ten, debuting at No.11. Fellow first party release New Super Mario Bros U entered the listings in 13th with Ubisoft claiming the highest charting third party title – ZombiU in 17th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 Thing is, the Wii U launch is the only time I've heard of official bundles being counted in charts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 Call of Duty: Black Ops II (All formats) Week 3 - less than 16.489 (-26%) Call of Duty: Black Ops II (360) Week 3 - less than 9.234 (56%) Call of Duty: Black Ops II (PS3) Week 3 - less than 6.740 (40%) Call of Duty: Black Ops II (PC/Wii U) Week 3 - less than 330 (2%) Wii U specific chart: all the titles under Black Ops 2 sold less than 330 units. 1 1 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO 2 2 NINTENDO LAND NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO 3 3 ZOMBI U UBISOFT (FRANCE) UBISOFT UBISOFT 4 4 SONIC & ALL STARS RACING TRANSFORMED SUMO DIGITAL SEGA SEGA 6 5 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II TREYARCH ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 10 6 ASSASSIN'S CREED III UBISOFT (MONTREAL) UBISOFT UBISOFT 5 7 NINJA GAIDEN 3: RAZOR'S EDGE TEAM NINJA TECMO TECMO KOEI EUROPE 8 8 BATMAN: ARKHAM CITY - ARMOURED EDITION WB GAMES MONTREAL WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 9 9 SPORTS CONNECTION UBISOFT (BARCELONA) UBISOFT UBISOFT - 10 TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT 2 NAMCO NAMCO BANDAI GAMES NAMCO BANDAI GAMES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 Thing is, the Wii U launch is the only time I've heard of official bundles being counted in charts Exactly, Wii Sports was never in the charts, was it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Wii Sports is different in that it was never available at the time as a standalone retail game. If bundles aren't included in the sales figures, then it really messes up the charts figures. Opening week saw NintendoLand finish in 11th place in the charts, sandwiched between the Xbox and PS3 version of AC3 (in 9th and 13th place) which supposedly did a combined 53k units that week (that's a figure from NeoGAF but apparently it's legit and not just a best guess). Therefore, it's reasonable to assume it, NintendoLand, did do sales of around 26k since double that would get you back to the AC3 total sales which sit equidistant from it in the charts. Now, the console did 43k approx units in the opening week and 60% of those were the Premium with NintendoLand which works out at just shy of 26k units of the game.... isn't that a coincidence. So, if the bundles are not included in the charts, then Nintendo shifted 26k in individual sales and another 26k as part of bundles... which means they sold way more copies of the game than they did hardware capable of playing it. It also means that New Super Mario Bros U, which charted lower, got outsold by none bundled copies of a game that 60% of Wii U owners already had which clearly doesn't make sense. Simply put, a game targeting 100% of the Wii U install base, carrying the Mario brand, got outsold by one targetting 40% of it - doesn't seem likely now does it? I will admit I was always under the impression that official bundles never counted toward chart figures but the way every site has reported Wii U hardware/software figures, and their placements, leaves little doubt that these aren't being included to me. Edited January 21, 2013 by Captain Falcon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 With the Vita and the Wii U both dying a death, I wonder if the marketplace hasn't just become incredibly hostile to new products. I guess the 3DS breaks that trend but it had to have a massive price drop to do that. If Sony and Microsoft don't position their marketing properly next gen they could easily stall on launch, too. The difference is that they will play host to the games people buy yearly iterations of (eg. Call of Duty, FIFA), so they will simply have to buy the new consoles in order to keep up. What the Dreamcast, Vita and Wii U show is that the masses just aren't keen on gaming enough to be excited by new hardware for its own sake. I don't want to be too snobby though, because I think Orbis and Durango will both be very powerful and it will be more obvious what you're getting for your money (than the Wii U). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2013 What the Dreamcast, Vita and Wii U show is that the masses just aren't keen on gaming enough to be excited by new hardware for its own sake. I don't want to be too snobby though, because I think Orbis and Durango will both be very powerful and it will be more obvious what you're getting for your money (than the Wii U). Well if the (freshly leaked!) Durango specs are anything to go by... one of those two consoles will be very powerful (if still decidedly mid-range on the PC scale) at least... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 22, 2013 So sales data for Japan due tomorrow. The data should end on the 20th of January so considering Animal Crossing stocked was actually received by Amazon and a fair few new market place sellers on the 17th/18th, I imagine there might be another spike for that. Amazon are also expecting further shipments on around the 27th, so it may look like stock problems are finally clearing up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Media Create Sales: Week 3, 2013 (Jan 14 - Jan 20) 01./00. [PS3] DmC: Devil May Cry <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.01.17} (¥6.990) - 110.429 / NEW 02./01. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 97.448 / 2.283.756 (+17%) 03./00. [PSP] Digimon Adventure <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.01.17} (¥6.280) - 47.807 / NEW 04./02. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 17.803 / 1.873.642 (-18%) 05./03. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 13.728 / 184.139 (-7%) 06./06. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go 2: Chrono Stone - Neppuu / Raimei <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.12.13} (¥5.500) - 12.019 / 391.389 (-13%) 07./04. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 11.684 / 399.382 (-20%) 08./05. [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star <ADV> (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} (¥4.800) - 11.055 / 495.922 (-24%) 09./08. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 9.598 / 441.708 (-23%) 10./07. [PS3] Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.12.20} (¥8.190) - 9.365 / 216.811 (-30%) 11./09. [WIU] Nintendo Land <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.935) - 8.740 / 270.917 (-25%) 12./10. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 8.408 / 393.485 (-16%)13./12. [PSP] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.20} (¥5.980) - 8.068 / 281.853 (-11%) 14./14. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 7.547 / 1.954.951 (-7%) 15./13. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Dubbed Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.12.20} (¥7.980) - 7.379 / 106.853 (-16%) 16./11. [PS3] Yakuza 5 # <ADV> (Sega) {2012.12.06} (¥8.800) - 6.493 / 561.073 (-33%) 17./15. [3DS] Magician's Quest: Magical Town <ETC> (Konami) {2012.12.20} (¥4.980) - 6.045 / 133.846 (-25%) 18./17. [3DS] Pokèmon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.11.23} (¥4.800) - 5.873 / 421.881 (-18%) 19./26. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 5.844 / 360.313 20./19. [NDS] Pokèmon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800) - 5.724 / 2.948.796 (-14%) Top 20 3DS - 10 PS3 - 4 PSP - 2 WIU - 2 NDS - 1 WII - 1 HARDWARE Code: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DS # | 81.855 | 92.661 | 80.960 | 453.775 | 422.447 | 10.233.655 | | PS3 | 19.697 | 22.991 | 21.155 | 107.040 | 125.946 | 8.967.124 | | WIU | 16.654 | 20.715 | | 104.452 | | 731.739 | | PSP # | 15.343 | 17.069 | 17.181 | 87.285 | 110.752 | 19.716.296 | | PSV | 9.036 | 11.088 | 15.219 | 53.433 | 76.495 | 1.184.258 | | WII | 2.199 | 1.873 | 10.173 | 9.704 | 73.877 | 12.648.540 | | 360 | 706 | 921 | 1.588 | 3.520 | 5.845 | 1.617.354 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 145.490 | 167.318 | 149.201 | 819.416 | 830.633 | 76.930.522 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DSLL | 51.015 | 56.377 | | 263.576 | | 2.353.947 | | 3DS | 30.840 | 36.284 | 80.960 | 190.199 | 422.447 | 7.879.708 | | PSP | 15.343 | 17.069 | 17.181 | 87.285 | 110.752 | 19.540.309 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DMC bombed!!! The 3DS is a beast. Vita back under 10k again and the the Wii U fast approaching. PS3 with no price drop is outselling the Wii U. Not good!! Fantasy Life absent again. There must be no stock anywhere. Edited January 23, 2013 by liger05 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 Do I need to get out the January and new console trends again? What on earth makes you think any console is above these trends Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 Do I need to get out the January and new console trends again? What on earth makes you think any console is above these trends How many times does it have to be said. The numbers are only going to get lower as there is no software being released. If there was actual releases in Japan then it wouldnt be selling vita like numbers and possibly below the PSP next week. Instead of banging on about trends how about telling us how these sales will be reversed when Japan has no games coming out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 How many times does it have to be said. The numbers are only going to get lower as there is no software being released. If there was actual releases in Japan then it wouldnt be selling vita like numbers and possibly below the PSP next week. Instead of banging on about trends how about telling us how these sales will be reversed when Japan has no games coming out? Because, almost all consoles have a drought from launch to the next new games. In fact, it's January, there's almost always a drought of games in it. So many people take things without remembering or realising context Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 Because, almost all consoles have a drought from launch to the next new games. In fact, it's January, there's almost always a drought of games in it. So many people take things without remembering or realising context Something which nintendo said they wanted to avoid as the same thing happened to the 3DS. Japan01/31 Shin Hokuto Musou 02/21 Tank! Tank! Tank! 03/14 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A... 05/23 BioHazard: Revelations - Unveil... I wouldnt even call that a drought. 4 schedules releases up until June. Now this may well change but as it stands there are 4 confirmed releases. Thats not good enough!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2013 Something which nintendo said they wanted to avoid as the same thing happened to the 3DS. I wouldnt even call that a drought. 4 schedules releases up until June. Now this may well change but as it stands there are 4 confirmed releases. Thats not good enough!! It's almost as if Nintendo keeps releases close to its chest, new consoles have few games in the launch period and Nintendo have a Wii U specific Direct this week. Oh hang on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
