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On 24/01/2020 at 10:38 AM, Hero-of-Time said:

The first point means that there was a time where people thought that digital and physical could kind of live side by side, with digital games being bought by a different set of gamers. This has now completely shifted and the market can longer grow and is in fact shrinking rapidly when it comes to physical releases and purchasing. Digital will continue to rise and physical fall as the next generation approaches.

I can't say i'm surprised by this at all. Digital games have become the norm and they go on sale all of the time, often being cheaper than their physical counter parts. You then have brick and mortar stores being shut left and right. Furthermore, we have things like Game Pass massively effect the sales of physical games, as seen by the Gears 5 numbers.

There are many Switch/PS4 games that just release only on their digital stores and you need to jump through hoops and follow different companies just to get a physical version. Even then, is it worth it? Especially when games need to be patched. You are having to pay sometimes around £40-50 for a game that is being sold digitally for around £10-20.

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It will be interesting to see how physical games fare next generation. With digital purchases eating into its market at a rapid pace it doesn't look good for those who enjoy physical copies of games. Maybe it's time to just except what's happening and join these box less heathens? :D

Yeah, it's a weird one.

Funnily enough, I've actually been giving it some thought over the last few months as to whether or not I'll continue to get physical copies over their digital counterparts once the PS5 releases.

On the one hand, like many of you, I love having these games on my shelf; they're generally cheaper at launch to buy physically, and if pre-ordered online from certain retailers, often turn up a few days early; and it offers you the chance to own the game, and not just a license which can be rescinded at any given point.

On the other hand, my shelves are almost filled up these days anyways: I love films and have a sizeable Blu-Ray collection, and there are all of the games which I own physically from my childhood, too. And then there are my books, which I tried to transition away from by getting a Kindle, but not much luck making the transition quite yet. 

Then there's the matter of delivery of online orders. Using Final Fantasy VII Remake as a bit of an extreme example, which releases on 10th April, being Good Friday and the start of the four day Easter weekend, it could potentially be a bit of a mess. As the game is releasing on a bank holiday Friday, it will most likely be dispatched early, and so I imagine arrive for most people much earlier in the week, which gives us a great chance to install it and have everything ready to go for the long weekend. However, there's nothing to say that it's not dispatched until a day or two before, and it being a bank holiday on the 10th, the Royal Mail and many postal services will likely be running a reduce service, if they're running at all. It being the Easter weekend, and with the following Monday also being a bank holiday, if you ordered a physical copy and it hasn't arrived on Saturday (which I imagine will be even busier than usual because of the load it's having to carry from Friday), there's a fair chance that you won't get the game until the following Tuesday, as most brick-and-mortar stores would likely only be open on that Saturday.

If you were to pre-order the game digitally, however, you'll be able to pre-install it and have it ready to go when you wake up on Good Friday. Like I said, an extreme example with how the timing of it shakes out, but nonetheless buying the game digitally would negate that possibility of being let down and not being able to play on launch day. 

One of the biggest reasons brick-and-mortar stores are still required by console manufacturers is for the sale of their consoles and accessories, but I would love to know if these guys have stats on the in-store vs online retailer sales of their consoles. One of the reasons cited that we can't have digital stores match the lower physical prices on the release date of a game is because there is likely an agreement for the digital storefront to not undercut the physical one, but as H-o-T mentioned, more and more brick-and-mortar stores are closing. If they have the stats for console and accessory sales and they support just selling them online or at select retailers, I wonder if we could see consoles pull out of physical storefronts entirely, and then see a fixed price of £60 across the board for AAA offerings, or them undercutting their software prices. Probably too early a thought to consider for PS5/XSX, but I imagine things will be drastically different by the time the following generation makes its way around, and I'm having a tough time thinking that they'll keep a hold of physical media from then on (though I oddly still see Nintendo sticking with it regardless). Also wonder if we could even see physical copies move to online orders moving forwards. On a personal note, I can't remember the last time I stepped into GAME or any other physical software retailer, let alone to actually purchase something, besides CeX - and that's only because I was dragged along by some of the guys from work.  

Should be interesting to see how the split changes moving to next gen if the thought of transitioning from physical to digital is clearly on the mind of so many who love to have those physical collections. 

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Not exactly related to sales or charts, but today CD Projekt Group surpassed Ubisoft as Europe's most valuable video game company. 

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The CD Projekt Group — which includes The Witcher III: Wild Hunt developer CD Projekt Red and digital distribution platform GOG — skyrocketed again on Monday, officially surpassing Ubisoft to become the most valuable video game company in Europe.

At the time of this writing, Ubisoft is worth PLN 35,6 billion (€7,82 billion), while CDP's market value is estimated at PLN 36,5 billion (€8,01 billion). As a reminder, CDP is also the most valuable Polish company, with the country's second-biggest company PKO Bank Polski still struggling to recover from the economic damage caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

 

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Good lord. I know that's it's in the NPD's Top 10 like every month, but still, I find GTA V selling 130,000,000 units nuts. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Julius said:

Good lord. I know that's it's in the NPD's Top 10 like every month, but still, I find GTA V selling 130,000,000 units nuts. 

 

That really is extraordinary. Will another game ever achieve that? No wonder we didn't get a new GTA game this generation.

I'd still love to see that game on Switch. 

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Does that include the free version that Epic gave away? Or is it that physical copies only?

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Wasn’t it a thing that a lot of GTA V’s sales were just people rebuying it because you could getter deals on shark cards etc?

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little fact about this country. there was more PS2's sold here  per head than any country in the world...

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topic actually for a bigger thread but this is sticky so not a big big bump but i also dont have enough to really merit a post so ima take a punt on someone who might @Dcubed any thoughts on ARM Holdings being sold to nVidia and what, if any, impacts you think it might have for any aspects of British industry at the moment?

 

Or ofc anyone who pays attention to hardware/chip stuff? Didn't really know where if anywhere to put this I just don't know enough except knowing they were a hugely ubiquitous architecture especially amongst Nintendo hardwares too.

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38 minutes ago, Rummy said:

topic actually for a bigger thread but this is sticky so not a big big bump but i also dont have enough to really merit a post so ima take a punt on someone who might @Dcubed any thoughts on ARM Holdings being sold to nVidia and what, if any, impacts you think it might have for any aspects of British industry at the moment?

 

Or ofc anyone who pays attention to hardware/chip stuff? Didn't really know where if anywhere to put this I just don't know enough except knowing they were a hugely ubiquitous architecture especially amongst Nintendo hardwares too.

If there wasn’t enough proof that the Tories are happy to sell off every major British institution and for the UK to become America’s puppet? Well...

 

Oh no doubt this’ll shake up the industry as a whole; but I think the effects will primarily be medium/long-term.  It’ll no doubt accelerate the end of x86/x64 in the PC space, as well as the demise of Intel & IBM once ARM takes over the server space.

It’s also good news for Nintendo in the medium-term as it grants them an ability to ask for more customised ARM chips at a cheaper price, but it also makes them even more reliant on Nvidia in the long-term than they already are; so I do wonder how long it’ll be until Nvidia start tightening the vice on Nintendo’s balls...

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The Switch is doing big numbers. If they release more AAA games on it that aren’t just ports it’ll keep selling like crazy too.

 

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Wow, that's insane.

Also I knew Animal Crossing would be BIG but I didn't think it'd sell more than Mario Kart! It's getting very close.

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1 hour ago, Kav said:

If they release more AAA games on it that aren’t just ports it’ll keep selling like crazy too.

As soon as the Switch doesn't do gangbusters anymore, Nintendo will just come out and say: "Switch will now only be available for another 3 months. BUY ONE NOW. IT HAS LIMITED AVAILABILITY"
(and a special offer for you: Buy another Switch in that time and you get OS based party chat included. :p) (yes, I will never stop milking that joke. NEVER!)

Great to see that all consoles do so well. Can't believe a few years ago there was talk about how console gaming is dead. Pretty sure the next-gen devices will do similarly well. :peace:

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On 21/05/2020 at 11:56 AM, Julius said:

Good lord. I know that's it's in the NPD's Top 10 like every month, but still, I find GTA V selling 130,000,000 units nuts. 

 

So, GTA V only sold around another 15 million units in the space of a year. No biggie. That means it likely only outsold the overwhelming majority of AAA new releases in 2020 for the fiscal year. 

And the news of upcoming updates and the next-gen version releasing on November 11th was shared today too, so that's not stopping anytime soon. 

See you in 2026, GTA VI. 

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As long as new kids are born every year, there will always be new 10 year olds that’ll beg for GTA 5 along with their new consoles.

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On 21/05/2020 at 11:56 AM, Julius said:

Good lord. I know that's it's in the NPD's Top 10 like every month, but still, I find GTA V selling 130,000,000 units nuts. 

 

It's actually a shame it's sold so well in some respects...they seem to be sticking with GTA V for a good while longer rather than developing the next one, and no doubt they're heavily focused on the microtransaction front as that's where the money is. Sadly it's their golden goose.

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A lot of people will just rebuy certain versions of GTAV when it’s on sale because it comes with the shark cards and it’s cheaper than buying them on their own.

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5 hours ago, Sheikah said:

It's actually a shame it's sold so well in some respects...they seem to be sticking with GTA V for a good while longer rather than developing the next one, and no doubt they're heavily focused on the microtransaction front as that's where the money is. Sadly it's their golden goose.

Yeah, as someone that always looked forward to the GTA series but never took to the online side, its actually a little frustrating. Don't get me wrong, I think its great that this game is selling so well after all this time and that the online mode is so popular but its clear that because of the insane amount of money GTA Online makes them, that this is now where Rockstar north/TakeTwo interests lie. For example I always assumed that GTA V would get single player DLC much like GTA IV did with Lost and the Damned/Ballad of Gay Tony but after 7 years it's clear that isn't going to happen.

 

 

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Ok so. I haven't played GTA since my cousin kept calling me up to go play games with him whilst I was in the middle of my usual gangster shit but what is it with GTAV that's got it still going? Was it all that amazing as a single player? Why is online so popular? Why am even *I* getting tempted by the ads I see to find out what it's all about??

I'm sure I tried to play it on PS3 once anf it had like...different dudes and felt a bit too longtings until I felt I was doing much that was actually fun and productive so I kinda stopped? I think I was just turned into a rich dude running around my own mansion and whatever missions I had done seem completely unmemorable. I remember pissing about with outfits in the wardrobe and driving cars but nothing remarkable beyond. Tho maybe I didn't give it enough time to get going?

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Nintendo's Q1 2021 results are out!

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sales numbers as of June 30, 2021 (+sales in the last quarter):

  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 37.08M (+1.69M)
  • Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 33.89M (+1.26M)
  • Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 24.77M (+930K)
  • The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 23.20M (+920K)
  • Pokémon Sword/Shield - 21.85M (+750K)
  • Super Mario Odyssey - 21.40M (+579K)
  • Super Mario Party - 15.72M (+930K)
  • Pokémon: Let's Go! - 13.57M (+290K)
  • Splatoon 2 - 12.45M (+240K)
  • Ring Fit Adventure - 11.26M (+1.15M)
  • Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury - 6.68M (+1.09M)
  • New Pokémon Snap - 2.07M (not including sales in Japan)
  • Mario Golf: Super Rush - 1.34M
  • Miitopia - 1.04M

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Despite the hype from Japan, YoY sales of hardware are down WW; so 2020 likely was the peak for Switch (as it should be, the platform is now in its 5th year FFS!).

Still fantastic results all around though! :D 

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I still think this year overall might surpass 2020, they don't have a massive tentpole coming out for the holiday period but Warioware, Mario Party, Metroid and the Diamond & Pearl remakes will combine to give hardware sale a good boost for Christmas. The last quarter of the FY could put them over the top too with Arceus due in January.

MK8 Deluxe sold another 1.69m copies in the last quarter, it might well make it to the 40 million mark by the end of the year. Combined with the Wii U version it passed Mario Kart Wii ages ago but with the legs of Deluxe mean that it has gone past MK Wii all by itself (slightly behind in the numbers posted today but surely ahead when you factor in sales for the month of July)

I just can't get over the legs that BOTW has had, with the sequel not coming until 2022 it could easily smash the 25 million mark, the next best selling entry in the series isn't even close.

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On 05/08/2021 at 2:40 PM, killthenet said:

I still think this year overall might surpass 2020, they don't have a massive tentpole coming out for the holiday period but Warioware, Mario Party, Metroid and the Diamond & Pearl remakes will combine to give hardware sale a good boost for Christmas. The last quarter of the FY could put them over the top too with Arceus due in January.

MK8 Deluxe sold another 1.69m copies in the last quarter, it might well make it to the 40 million mark by the end of the year. Combined with the Wii U version it passed Mario Kart Wii ages ago but with the legs of Deluxe mean that it has gone past MK Wii all by itself (slightly behind in the numbers posted today but surely ahead when you factor in sales for the month of July)

I just can't get over the legs that BOTW has had, with the sequel not coming until 2022 it could easily smash the 25 million mark, the next best selling entry in the series isn't even close.

In Japan? Yeah, it’s not impossible for 2020 to beat 2021 (though it’s gonna be very close either way!).

Worldwide though? Not a chance.

Will still handily beat 2019, 2018 and 2017 WW either way though.

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While I'm sure I and many others like their single player experiences the market is clearly speaking towards wanting to buy games that will last forever. Things like Animal Crossing and Mario Kart is indicative of this.

 

Its frankly still impressive how well Mario Kart continues to sell to this day. I think online is a huge factor in game sales these days as people are more likely to buy a game if their friends have the game so that they can play online with their friends. This seems to have helped in Mario Kart 8's favour as Nintendo has just rereleased the game but since many people didn't get a a Wii U they didn't get this particular iteration of the game and its just done crazy numbers as a result. The fact that the game manages to remain in top 10 sales all the time is seriously impressive, selling almost as well as new games.

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