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Everyone knows the word "Rosebud" and how it's said, the "plothole" that nobody could have heard it (but that's actually just a fancy camera angle to signify how alone he was, not actually a plot hole).

 

But I have no clue what Rosebud is. I didn't even know it was something"everyone" knew.

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It's like, one of the most famous movie plot twists in all of movie history!

There's a page on TV Tropes that discusses plot twists that are such common knowledge, that they're not really surprised anymore. And it's titled after what Rosebud is. (Specifically, it's named after the Family Guy joke about Rosebud)

Quote from that site.

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A Twist Ending that used to be guarded carefully as a Spoiler, but thanks to Popcultural Osmosis, everyone within the target demographic knows the ending already, even those who haven't even seen the show. It's probably never going to surprise anyone again. In many cases, the twist becomes the central fact known even to those only noddingly familiar with the work, and other adaptations take it as read from the beginning

 

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As someone who watches their fair share of older films, watches a lot of films, and cares about film history, I'm weirdly also one of the people who can't remember what Rosebud is. Though to be fair, I haven't seen Citizen Kane as far I can recall either, and if I have it would have been when I was much younger, so there might be some sort of bias there. I have no doubt I've heard about the meaning of Rosebud at some point in the past, but I just don't think it's permeated my memory. The funny thing is though, I know I've seen that clapping scene, so I have no idea now if I have or haven't seen the film :laughing:

I think a large part of that is probably exposure to these "known twists" like Vader and what happens in FF VII. I can't name one person in my life who would be in a position to even bring up Citizen Kane to me in conversation! Whereas I truly think that Vader is inescapable - I knew it before I even first watched Star Wars, and that was when I was very young. Everyone I know - and their mothers - knows what that twist is. Star Wars and Vader are on the level that characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man have been for nearly four and a half decades now. 

Compare that to say the events in Final Fantasy VII, and I think it's only inescapable if you're drawn to that corner of gaming in particular or go out of your way to seek more information on the history of gaming (I know I've got a few books on my shelves for instance which point explicitly explain what happens and what the fallout of that was). I play Final Fantasy games and have an interest in JRPG's and the history of gaming, and have played VII, but before I played VII, I honestly didn't know that happened. And while Final Fantasy is obviously massive for gaming history, given the recent history of the franchise and how sporadic mainline releases have become, I wouldn't be surprised at all if most modern gamers had no idea about that twist - I know for a fact many of my friends wouldn't. 

It does make me start to wonder about how many twists in film and other media are on that "No, I am your father" level, though. I think that given the size of the audience of the MCU, certain events in Infinity War and Endgame seem inescapable, but will they still be that way decades from now?

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I also still haven't seen it, but don't have any access to it.

I'm also blissfully unaware of the meaning of Rosebuf though.

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I don't consider Rosebud to be a twist personally. It's a driver in the internal narrative of the film sure, and something that glues the film together, but not something I'd consider particularly twisty. 

Good film though, worth watching. 

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9 minutes ago, Ashley said:

I don't consider Rosebud to be a twist personally. It's a driver in the internal narrative of the film sure, and something that glues the film together, but not something I'd consider particularly twisty. 

Good film though, worth watching. 

By modern day standards, sure. But in 1941, I can imagine that kind of thing was just unheard of. Most movie plots were relatively straightforward, so I can totally see why it became so famous.

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I was going to say Psycho had a bigger twist but that was released 19 years later so maybe you have a point.

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9 hours ago, bob said:
22 hours ago, MindFreak said:
I don't know what Rosebud means except that it's a cheat code for infinite money in The Sims. 
I also have no clue about who dies in FFVII. Is that the one that has Cloud in it? And Sephiroth? 

Do...do you know who Luke Skywalker's father is?

Luke who?

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14 minutes ago, MindFreak said:

Luke who?

Ok, yeah. He's having a laugh with us at this point.

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