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There's a LGBT society in College, and I was thinking of going but I'm not sure. I can't join them anyway yet until the week after next one. But I was just wondering, what's the point. Would we all sit there and talk about being LGBT? I don't get what you do.

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A quick google search revealed this on the Manchester Uni website:

 

The LGBT society exists for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and queer people on campus.

 

We hold events for LGBT students to meet and socialise.

 

We provide welfare services for who are questioning their sexuality or gender and for people who meet with difficulty because of their sexuality or gender.

 

We run political campaigns on issues that affect LGBT people, such as same-sex marriage, the right to have children, or against discrimination from the government or its services

 

Maybe check out your colleges website, they may have a blurb on what the society do at yours.

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There's a LGBT society in College, and I was thinking of going but I'm not sure. I can't join them anyway yet until the week after next one. But I was just wondering, what's the point. Would we all sit there and talk about being LGBT? I don't get what you do.

 

The LGBT society at Oxford, which I suspect is similar to most other colleges/unis, is basically a social society, where LGBT people meet and drink and chat in little groups.

 

And then I get really drunk and make announcements about campaigns we're doing (because I'm the only person in the LGBTQ Campaigns group who is willing to speak in public) :p

 

But yeah, will probably just be a social event so LGBTers can meet. Less sleazy than a bar. Good if you're awkward socially.

 

 

Deffo join/go along.

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Sure go for the craick anyway :p

I'd say it would be worth your time to maybe go at least once, I think.

 

Never been to one myself, but it seems interesting. Gay's are usually always a hoot :p

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Charity events, public awareness campaigns, anti-discrimination stuff - if it's anything like my Uni the Conservative Society and the more fundamental of the Christian & Islamic societies will give you enough to keep you occupied. You'd be amazed how much homophobic shit they can spout, especially of the more subtle variety (ie trying to get the University to, under marital status on official forms, put "married (different sex only)" - naturally, the Uni told them to go fuck themselves before the LGBT Soc, LibDem Soc, SASoc or any other right-minded person could tell them to).

 

The Islamic Society (with support from The Chosen Society, the especially nutty Jesus-freaks) once tried to get LGBTSoc banned, as it "was concerned with and centred around celebrating offensive, degrading and unclean acts, including child abuse & paedophilia." (sic)

 

You do other stuff other than fight idiots, though - don't worry. ;)

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The LGBT society exists for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and queer people on campus.

 

Queer is it's own category now?

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Queer is it's own category now?

 

Yep. In simple terms Queer is alternative lifestyle, particularly in regards to sexuality.

 

You can be gay and not queer; you can be straight and queer.

 

 

 

Most mainstream people/societys/places/things will just label as LGBT, where if you tried to take away the Q from LGBTQ Campaigns you'd get your head bitten off.

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:S

Oh! When did the 'Q' come in? I've never even seen it written before. Just always LGBT.

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Yep. In simple terms Queer is alternative lifestyle, particularly in regards to sexuality.

 

You can be gay and not queer; you can be straight and queer.

 

 

 

Most mainstream people/societys/places/things will just label as LGBT, where if you tried to take away the Q from LGBTQ Campaigns you'd get your head bitten off.

I can't say I understand. Is this like Metrosexual? Doesn't really seem like it would fit.

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There's a LGBT society in College, and I was thinking of going but I'm not sure. I can't join them anyway yet until the week after next one. But I was just wondering, what's the point. Would we all sit there and talk about being LGBT? I don't get what you do.

Are you having feelings of doing men up the arse/taking it up the arse from a man? If so then this may be for you. Don't consider it just a place to meet new people.

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I can't say I understand. Is this like Metrosexual? Doesn't really seem like it would fit.

 

It's kinda hard to sum up.

 

It's the direct antithesis of heteronormativity. A heteronormative gay couple would seek to replicate a heterosexual couple, "It's just the same as a straight relationship, except that we're both guys", where a queer gay couple would act in a way that felt natural to them, rather than trying to fit into a mould.

 

Queer usually has left-wing political connotations, because there's often an implicit political subversion happening -- almost like a "Fuck you, I want change" type-mentality -- and many would argue that being queer or identifying as queer is to be implicitly politically involved (in the same way that being Marxist is to be implicitly politically involved). Many/most LGBT activists would describe themselves as queer.

 

It's hard to get your head around because it's not necessarily to do with sexual orientation -- a straight person who was against the traditional family set-up would be considered queer.

 

 

Right now I would describe myself as queer, but I also realise I am totelly (Alanis Morissette style) influenced by the people I love, so if I fell in love with a heteronormative guy I'd change instantly.

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Well if it's just an activist for Gay rights, then it doesn't seem like it fits the LGBT theme. Although I see why they are welcome to join.

 

Sure go for the craick anyway :p

I'd say it would be worth your time to maybe go at least once, I think.

 

Never been to one myself, but it seems interesting. Gay's are usually always a hoot :p

And you never would go to one since you're in the closet. :p

 

The LGBT Society's door is always open if you are a student on campus and you are unsure about your sexuality. If you are too nervous to come along to one our meetings you can join our mailing list or email the society. Sometimes being gay is not easy, and the society is here to support you. If you are already "out" and comfortable with being gay, and you just want to make friends, the society is a great way of meeting new people.

From the blurb it just seems like people would go there for the sake of it, and not a specific reason. Just because they are LGBT. Seems like just an excuse to meet other LGBT people.

 

It can be good though, talking to other people about problems and such, and being there for people with problems. I said I wanted to be open in College but it's a little daunting. I'll try go anyway.

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hmm..well, I guess one could argue that, according to Chair's post a 'queer' person could be straight yet want rights for gays, so if the LGBT community are trying to be activists for gay rights then the 'Q' fits perfectly, me thinks.

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Well if it's just an activist for Gay rights, then it doesn't seem like it fits the LGBT theme. Although I see why they are welcome to join.

 

Well it's not just about gay rights activism at all -- I just focused on that in my post (because I'm interested in that).

 

And really I think the Q is the theme. All L, G, B and T are socially subversive to heternormativity, and the Q is what links them together -- really, I have nothing in common with my lesbian friends apart from that we've all been through the same experiences growing up living outside the norm, and that we all love Tegan and Sara.

 

If a gay man was totally un-Q, totally heteronormative -- what interest would he have in being friends with a lesbian?

 

 

First rule of LGBTQ -- be very sensitive about the use of letters. People care a lot about them.

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I assume there are weekly meetings like all other societies.

Depends how horny they/you are.

It's the direct antithesis of heteronormativity. A heteronormative gay couple would seek to replicate a heterosexual couple, "It's just the same as a straight relationship, except that we're both guys", where a queer gay couple would act in a way that felt natural to them, rather than trying to fit into a mould.

I need your guidance here. I understand that a gay couple would like to emulate the situation a "normal couple" would have, but as you said they're both blokes. How would they decide who was the man and who was the "bitch"? I'm basing this on pure stereotype/television spectacle (because I'm afraid queer couples are rare in Nottingham) that there is a pure "gender" divide between each bloke*. Obviously excluding the type you mentioned who wish to step outside the box even moreso, I assume you're one of these people? If so, how have you coped with meeting a guy and trying to get jiggy in a way that felt natural to you?**

 

 

 

 

*Same with lesbians really, there's the really attractive one and then the partner who has short blonde hair (bordering on a skinhead) wearing khaki/camoflage trousers with a white vest. Which we have a fair few of in Nottingham.

 

 

**After doing more than oral in the bathroom of course. Which I have no doubt you were both comfortable with.

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Well it's not just about gay rights activism at all -- I just focused on that in my post (because I'm interested in that).

 

And really I think the Q is the theme. All L, G, B and T are socially subversive to heternormativity, and the Q is what links them together -- really, I have nothing in common with my lesbian friends apart from that we've all been through the same experiences growing up living outside the norm, and that we all love Tegan and Sara.

 

If a gay man was totally un-Q, totally heteronormative -- what interest would he have in being friends with a lesbian?

 

 

First rule of LGBTQ -- be very sensitive about the use of letters. People care a lot about them.

I thought the theme was that they are all homosexual, in a way.

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And you never would go to one since you're in the closet.

 

well, you know don't you? Plus most on N-E, so...I'm half? :p

 

A little off topic, but still suitable to the topic, DADT repeal was denied, yesterday I think. Shame, especially after this great speech. Haven't watched it in full yet but I'd say it's worth a watch

 

 

 

http://gagadaily.com/2010/09/lady-gaga-speaks-at-dont-ask-dont-tell-rally/#more-10680

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How would they decide who was the man and who was the "bitch"?

 

Sadly, most of the time it comes down to whoever does the penetration in the bedroom.

 

You might remember my rant a while ago in the sexuality thread about a guy expecting his bf to buy all the drinks because he was the bottom (penetratee) in the bedroom and therefore the "bitch" -- the helpless damsel in distress.

 

That just angers me. Mostly because its so misogynistic, and disregards everything feminists have worked to achieved.

 

 

Not sure what you're really asking in the latter section of your post?

 

I thought the theme was that they are all homosexual, in a way.

 

Yes, but that's a very facile way of looking at things.

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The one for Sheffield Hallam practically disbanded this year because the group were far too lazy to do anything about it, it annoyed me as I saw my friend trying to run it and people not bothering to show up and then complaining when nothing happened.

 

The Sheffield uni one though is apparently brilliant, they run bar crawls, events, pub nights, meetings etc, all to discuss campaigns, meet new people.

 

In a way it's just like making new friends in another social circle, if it interests you then there's no harm in going and seeing how people are.

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Sadly, most of the time it comes down to whoever does the penetration in the bedroom.

 

You might remember my rant a while ago in the sexuality thread about a guy expecting his bf to buy all the drinks because he was the bottom (penetratee) in the bedroom and therefore the "bitch" -- the helpless damsel in distress.

 

That just angers me. Mostly because its so misogynistic, and disregards everything feminists have worked to achieved.

Do you not switch positions? Granted when the straight community does it the same person is still penetrating so surely the gay community gets some form of equality with it?

 

Or does one just resume his role as bitch and take it?

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Because it is easily accomplished, does it make it wrong?

 

 

And why does someone have to be the bitch, can they not both be the men?

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I agree with Diego on that point but generally I think it comes down to preference.

Some men/women like to be top and other men/women like to be bottom.

 

In my opinion, I'd prefer to switch it up and maybe be bottom on such a day and top on another. It's never just black and white.

 

Because it is easily accomplished, does it make it wrong?

 

is what easily accomplished? sorry, I don't get what your replying to

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I agree with Diego on that point but generally I think it comes down to preference.

Some men/women like to be top and other men/women like to be bottom.

 

In my opinion, I'd prefer to switch it up and maybe be bottom on such a day and top on another. It's never just black and white.

 

Exactly, I don't know why people assume such things just because of a same sex relationship, nor should they in a hetro relationship either.

 

*shrug*

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