Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) The people on the list of folk not permtited to enter the UK because they are considered to be inciting hatred and violence are not being "censored" nor are they having their freedom of speech taken away. They are free to say whatever they like, and indeed they do. You can see them ranting, raving and being variously neo-nazis, islamophobes, islamic fundimentalist women haters and what have you all over the internet and indeed in British publicans, even more so since that list was published. Every country has the right to decide who it will and will not let past it's borders, and these folks sense of entitlement doesn't change that at all. Micheal Savage was threatening to sue Jacqui Smith over the list, although how he would do that without being in the country was a mystery he didn't resolve. People starving in Africa should just deny the holocaust, then we'd have to invite them all over for a cup of tea, a slice of cake and a nice sit down to discuss why they feel that way. Edited June 9, 2009 by BlueStar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 So free speech doesn't cover where you can say what you want? I did not know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) So free speech doesn't cover where you can say what you want? I did not know that. Free speech doesn't mean people have to let you in their country if they don't want to, no. It doesn't mean you can start giving a political speech in the midde of a movie. It doesn't mean you can sing Day Light Come and I Wanna go Home in a library. It doesn't mean you must be allowed on the six o'clock news to give your opinion on Exitebots. The government of a country have the freedom speech to say "You're not welcome" and they have the right to say who can and cannot enter their country. If I knock on your door and say "Hi, you're a cunt and your mum's fat. Can I come in?" you're not infringing my right to free speech by telling me to fuck off. There's a huge portion of the world not allowed to enter Britain, is their free speech all being oppressed? EDIT: You see this happening on a smaller scale on messageboards. People start shouting "free speech" as if it means they have a god given right to join a message board, post porn and warez, flame users, make off-topic posts about how Jews control the world in the wi-fi section and the people who run the board don't have the right to exclude them from their community. Edited June 9, 2009 by BlueStar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Free speech doesn't mean people have to let you in their country if they don't want to, no. It doesn't mean you can start giving a political speech in the midde of a movie. It doesn't mean you can sing Day Light Come and I Wanna go Home in a library. It doesn't mean you must be allowed on the six o'clock news to give your opinion on Exitebots. The government of a country have the freedom speech to say "You're not welcome" and they have the right to say who can and cannot enter their country. If I knock on your door and say "Hi, you're a cunt and your mum's fat. Can I come in?" you're not infringing my right to free speech by telling me to fuck off. There's a huge portion of the world not allowed to enter Britain, is their free speech all being oppressed? Excellent post, and I agree with you even if this does seem to contridict my earlier post. The point I was trying to make is that the media seem to blow stories like this out of proportion to construct an opinion so the public don't have to. What would be better would be to provide a neutral platform (abroad if neccessary) for these people to speak and be challenged appropriatly rather than being mis-represneted in a false light whether it is more or less damaging to the individual in question. Yes, the goverment should ban them. What they shouldn't do, in my opinion is release lists to the media so that (like an unwanted forum member) they can blert "ZOMG l00k at dis razist cock!!!111," before blerting a load of 'facts' about them shrouded in the own political agenda and create a hysteria about somthing which could possibly affect racial tensions. Edited June 9, 2009 by Nicktendo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Just seen that Nick Griffin got pelted with eggs outside Westminster today. Fuckin A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Free speech doesn't mean people have to let you in their country if they don't want to, no. It doesn't mean you can start giving a political speech in the midde of a movie. It doesn't mean you can sing Day Light Come and I Wanna go Home in a library. It doesn't mean you must be allowed on the six o'clock news to give your opinion on Exitebots. The government of a country have the freedom speech to say "You're not welcome" and they have the right to say who can and cannot enter their country. If I knock on your door and say "Hi, you're a cunt and your mum's fat. Can I come in?" you're not infringing my right to free speech by telling me to fuck off. There's a huge portion of the world not allowed to enter Britain, is their free speech all being oppressed? EDIT: You see this happening on a smaller scale on messageboards. People start shouting "free speech" as if it means they have a god given right to join a message board, post porn and warez, flame users, make off-topic posts about how Jews control the world in the wi-fi section and the people who run the board don't have the right to exclude them from their community. Oh yes, 'Zionist controlled media' is a popular term by anti-semites when describing the world's media. It's silly. Anti-Jewry is soooo 1940s. Geert Wilders is a hateful figure. He blames Muslims for the problems in the world, and sees its expansion as dangerous. But no party should be based on the grounds on religion:- not a Christian party, an anti-Muslim party or even an atheist party. But the government were wrong in banning him- I'd expect any politician to be allowed access due to their views, whether it be Geert Wilders, or, in complete contrast, a deranged Egyptian iman who preaches hatred towards the West. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Just seen that Nick Griffin got pelted with eggs outside Westminster today. Fuckin A. Will gain them votes and allow them to tell more lies to the electorate about conspiracies etc plus its not addressing their stupid policies. Instead of eggs these people should be constantly asking him for a 1 hour debate on tv where any 5 year old could show how immigration is needed, cutting uni education down to 1 year is a bad idea and how giving people guns is ridiculous. Its not the way to conduct yourself in a democracy. Heres his response anyhow which allows him to spin it any way he wants. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091785.stm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 On watching the Russell Brand thing, and seeing some of the BNP people's opinions, they were saying the white race is becoming extinct. I am curious how this is happening, are white people going to be forbidden to have sex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Will gain them votes and allow them to tell more lies to the electorate about conspiracies etc plus its not addressing their stupid policies. Instead of eggs these people should be constantly asking him for a 1 hour debate on tv where any 5 year old could show how immigration is needed, cutting uni education down to 1 year is a bad idea and how giving people guns is ridiculous. This is the 1st time in a while the BNP publicly announced where and when they were having a press conference and the idiots at the UAF did EXACTLY what the BNP wanted. Denied them free speach and commited acts of violence on them, turning the BNP into the victim. Congratu-fucking-lations UAF... Edited June 9, 2009 by Nicktendo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Come on own up... Who fracking voted for the BNP? LMAO....hahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Just seen that Nick Griffin got pelted with eggs outside Westminster today. Fuckin A. Now with video: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6463777.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Not as many eggs as I was thinking when they use the word "pelted" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) the egg pelting is amusing - considering what he stands for. However it isn't democratic, and yes, it shows a certain lack of intelligence, it was clearly held outside so the BNP could manipulate the situation - when a mob acts like that it is unacceptable, and it really has put a different light on the BNP. I'll be honest, there are some policies the BNP has which are interesting, but I couldn't entertain the idea of voting them and then look a lot of my friends in the eye. All I hope is that other parties will look at any legitimate policies BNP has, and see if there is a solution they can offer that deal with the same issue. on the Uni in 1 year, actually seems plausible to me, most courses could be done in a year, although it would destroy any notion of independent study, and the quality of education would suffer.. but the content could be covered. Has NG been to uni? because with his policies and general persona, he doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the kitchen draw... Edited June 9, 2009 by Pestneb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Haha that video is hilarious at 32 seconds when the woman gets sent flying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 I hate the way people seem to think that the BNP shoudnt be allowed to exist. (im not commenting about on here in perticular) But suerly if they get the votes and people do want a nazi (although that word is a bit strong for the BNP imho) then shoudnt it be allowed? Isnt that democracy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 I hate the way people seem to think that the BNP shoudnt be allowed to exist. (im not commenting about on here in perticular) But suerly if they get the votes and people do want a nazi (although that word is a bit strong for the BNP imho) then shoudnt it be allowed? Isnt that democracy? Yeah but people only like democracy when the same few parties get elected. But when somebody they don't agree with comes in then suddenly the system is unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 No, views like their's are just wrong. There's no doubt about it. The three main parties differ in views and whatever, and I totally disagree with some of the conservatives opinions but they are totally different to a party such as the BNP who spout hatred at innocent people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 No, views like their's are just wrong. There's no doubt about it. The three main parties differ in views and whatever, and I totally disagree with some of the conservatives opinions but they are totally different to a party such as the BNP who spout hatred at innocent people. But what if normal 'joe' public spout hatred at innocent people and want these people to govern them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 No, views like their's are just wrong. There's no doubt about it. The three main parties differ in views and whatever, and I totally disagree with some of the conservatives opinions but they are totally different to a party such as the BNP who spout hatred at innocent people. Views are not wrong. That's complete and utter bull shit. You may not agree with them but a percentage of the population does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 No, views like their's are just wrong. There's no doubt about it. The three main parties differ in views and whatever, and I totally disagree with some of the conservatives opinions but they are totally different to a party such as the BNP who spout hatred at innocent people. Then you have to explain why so people won't vote for them I strongly disagree that they should be banned. There should be investigations into violence and intimidation used by the party with arrests following any evidence. Views are not wrong. That's complete and utter bull shit. You may not agree with them but a percentage of the population does. Some things they say are plain wrong though I mean their ideas about Ireland I think they want to merge it plain nonsense! I guess that isn't a view though but racism is pretty much wrong which they advocate to a degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Views are not wrong? Ok, So it's perfectly acceptable to be racist? Right.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Dont get me wrong since there views on the Gurkhas and Johnson Beharry VC were openly aired i have no time for them at all. But If this is what the people want then who is to argue with them? You cant dictate to people what is right and what is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Views are not wrong? Ok, So it's perfectly acceptable to be racist? Right.... Yes it is. That's the society we live in. It's fine to hold those views. You can hold whatever views you like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 Dont get me wrong since there views on the Gurkhas and Johnson Beharry VC were openly aired i have no time for them at all. But If this is what the people want then who is to argue with them? You cant dictate to people what is right and what is wrong. you mean like the law? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 9, 2009 you mean like the law? There is no law against thoughts and opinions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
