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Agh, so many posts.

For the most part suicide is the coward thing to do, but most people can't imagine what it's like feeling completely trapped and with no way out, with some people obviously in situations worse than others. On the other hand it takes courage to take your own life, but can it be compared to the courage or lack of it, to tackle life's problems?

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Whoah, didn't expect so many (long) posts.

 

I can see a lot of people feel very strongly on this, and has different opinions.

 

As most people have said, it must be something terrible happening inside of your head to put your family/friends through this, I mean, imagine the family member who finds you, or the friend....their lives would be scarred..

 

I have thought about it before when I was going through a very bad period in my life (2-3 years ago) but never had the courage to even harm myself.

 

I did a lot of crying though...A LOT. Sometimes I would wear myself out from all the crying :/ It was horrible.

 

I just can't imagine, people being so young, throwing their life away, when so many great times are ahead of them....such a waste of a life.

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Had a mate kill himself this summer, and whilst a few year agos i'd have callously sucide is for "pussies", i think like so many people have said its easy to just jump straight to that conclusion when we don't really think about all the memories of people we're just shitting over. My mate was proper popular had mates back at home and tons at uni and was pretty sound, so was a complete shock when he did it. I think Rammy's made some good points i suppose at the end of the day we don't feel that trapped feeling of having your back right up against the wall - maybe it's one reason we're all still here. But at his funeral the parents (through maybe trying to ease the pain of his departure) was talking about how he wanted to know who he truly was, and they felt he found this out and so had closure in his life, i mean who knows how true that is but he did leave a note for them. But we also have to remember just cos our life may be reasonably kosher right now, life has a pretty ridiculous spectrum so maybe some people at the end of the day just don't get the chance to enjoy it. But that being said i'll never condone it and i'm still kinda hurt that a) we never saw his pain and couldnt even see it coming and, b) he did it in such a manner and put his family through so much pain that i find hard to forgive.

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I so shouldn't post after celebrating our 4-0 win over Qatar... Sorry for my drunken drizzle, i tend to get a bit argey bargey too :)

 

All I would like to say on this matter is that if you are capable of thinking negatively, then there is no reason why you can't also think positively. Life is a gift, not a burden. Make the most of it. Deattach yourself from things that make you feel down, and surround yourself with things you enjoy and people you enjoy spending time with. =/

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A rather loose looking statistic you pulled out at the end there. Other than that, your entire post was quite enlightening. From what I've said of Suicide, I spoke from myself and personal feelings recently(and oh how foolish they seem now that I'm out), I also speak from what I hear, from people I know personally who have felt it/tried it/have other problems and depression, and from a also semi-experienced point of view(I wondered what your semi-professional experience was LukeLee) of having spent the last two years working part time in an acute psychiatric ward as a HCA, which is a totally unqualified position, so I'm not claiming to be professional or an authority, merely speaking from personal experience.

 

Yeah, the statistic wasn't properly referenced, I have read into it, but to be honest I was too lazy to go searching for the statistic and posting it on here. So yeah, besides the personal background and experience, I'm a psychology graduate and work as an assistant psychologist, I am mainly working in psychosis but depression and suicide often comes into it my work. Eventually I'd like to become a clinical psychologist specialising in depression.

 

Yeah I agree that some people can use self-harm / suicide to try and manipulate and get their way and i believe they deserve a kind of attention, probably not a stereotypical sympathy but a professional attention as it is obviously still unhealthy.

 

Also, I probably should have worded the part about attempting suicide for attention, its usually more of a knowingly worthless attempt, but this can also backfire. As said earlier, i did one of these 'attention attempts' when i was 15 by taking what seemed to me like a low number of paracetamol. However, the doctor told me that it was enough to be borderline to making me seriously ill, so people don't always know. I'll try explain my thoughts at the time; I tried approaching people about how unhappy I was, I tried talking to many but I wasn't being taken serious, no one was listening, so i guess I wanted to make them see that i was serious and did need help.

 

I think one thing this thread highlights for me is people have the attitude of life is positive, they shouldnt do it, they are shameful, selfish and horrible people who would do it. You can't hope to help people and expect them to be okay and not do it anymore by spitting at them. If we make suicide such a shameful thing that it makes someone bad for thinking about it then people who are struggling with it will find it so much harder to turn to someone and seek help. There is a timeframe where people are struggling with it and thinking about it before they take any action. I'm not saying suicide is good or okay, but it should be acceptable that people get these feelings and they're not bad for having them.

 

There was an interesting piece of research I encountered in my last year of uni which showed that individuals who were strongly suffering from depression or who had previously suffered from depression had changed their perceptual processes and intially diverted their attention towards upsetting stimuli. However, those who hadn't experienced depression diverted their focus away from sad faces. Seeing these differences in cognitive processes may highlight why people who are suffering are drawn to seeing the sader /darker side of life and may only see this. Whereas those who haven't been depressed may try to avoid upsetting circumstances. Of course I dont believe thats the only factor, I believe culture has a part, but from my position working in research I think it is noteworthy.

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There was an interesting piece of research I encountered in my last year of uni which showed that individuals who were strongly suffering from depression or who had previously suffered from depression had changed their perceptual processes and intially diverted their attention towards upsetting stimuli. However, those who hadn't experienced depression diverted their focus away from sad faces. Seeing these differences in cognitive processes may highlight why people who are suffering are drawn to seeing the sader /darker side of life and may only see this. Whereas those who haven't been depressed may try to avoid upsetting circumstances. Of course I dont believe thats the only factor, I believe culture has a part, but from my position working in research I think it is noteworthy.

 

ive seen a few peices like that, it was interesting from a scientific point of view. I think its very hard to understand that outher people have different cognitive processes.

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hey, i hear you, but its not just your life thats changed, you have too. its part of the struggle of life. every one has a rough patch in there life, a time when they hate everything, but i think its what makes people stronger, and makes us appreciate the good times more.

 

if love was easy would it be as sweet? if we just ended up were we wanted to be, would it be as satisfying as getting there by our own steam?

 

im sorry that your life is still being rebuilt, but on the plus side, you can change aspects that werent so good, and will be a little wiser from it.

 

hell, my life is a fucking mess, some times things seem bleak, i cant be bothered to look for work or go to the gym but then i think what i have to gain, and all the things i still want to do. then i send off that cv, or lift that extra set of weights. im no longer dreading tommorow, im bettering it.

 

if all else fails, just think what would rocky do. that seriously gets me through rough times.

 

Aye, self esteem is something you have to WORK on for it to build up. So in that sense I can understand Oxigen's idea suicide/low self esteem equating to laziness.

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ive seen a few peices like that, it was interesting from a scientific point of view. I think its very hard to understand that outher people have different cognitive processes.

 

Yeah, another thing that is interesting and a bit scary is that people who suffer from depression for a very long time actually experience brain damage.

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Yeah, another thing that is interesting and a bit scary is that people who suffer from depression for a very long time actually experience brain damage.

 

I could well understand that... REAL depression takes over your life, soul, and even physically. People I know say, oh I feel depressed, and they really have no idea what depression is. They just feel a bit shit and suddenly decide that they have a mental disorder.

 

My rhematologist says that if you don't use your body it will rot (regardless of wether you suffer from a medical condition or not). I think the same theory goes for the brain.

 

If you are really depressed you lay in a slum, not leaving your bed, not going out and doing things... you aren't using your brain, and it will affect you.

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On Friday, this guy I knew committed suicide (hung himself).

 

He was stunning, was immensely popular, and would be the person you would have least suspected to do something like this.

 

I didn't know him that well, but I have been talking to his best friends, and they say they don't know why and they never expected it.

 

I cried for ages reading comments people had left him on Myspace, and have been thinking, what makes someone do this? Taking their one and only chance at life from themselves, and putting their family and friends through all this pain.

 

Obviously the first thing that comes to mind is something was hurting him terribly.

 

He was only 17, it's horrible to think that he had his whole life ahead of him, he could have achieved so much :/

 

I can't even imagine what it must feel like to have thoughts like this :S

 

Anyone had anyone close that have committed suicide? What are you views on it?

ah ok

 

see its difficult to understand... sometimes it's usually the least likely ones.. chances are he was supressing an awful lot of pain in him so he couln't handle it anymore.. Usually guys don't tell people..

depression is hard to understand I guess

 

I so shouldn't post after celebrating our 4-0 win over Qatar... Sorry for my drunken drizzle, i tend to get a bit argey bargey too :)

 

All I would like to say on this matter is that if you are capable of thinking negatively, then there is no reason why you can't also think positively. Life is a gift, not a burden. Make the most of it. Deattach yourself from things that make you feel down, and surround yourself with things you enjoy and people you enjoy spending time with. =/

 

yes you're the opposite.. see..

 

Imagine being so sad that you're weak and can do nothing but sleep all day... it's feeling sorry for yourself for sure and you know you are but you can't stop it... :)

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I could well understand that... REAL depression takes over your life, soul, and even physically. People I know say, oh I feel depressed, and they really have no idea what depression is. They just feel a bit shit and suddenly decide that they have a mental disorder.

 

My rhematologist says that if you don't use your body it will rot (regardless of wether you suffer from a medical condition or not). I think the same theory goes for the brain.

 

If you are really depressed you lay in a slum, not leaving your bed, not going out and doing things... you aren't using your brain, and it will affect you.

 

Again, a bit of a bump from me, but this thread really took my interest recently. I totally want to echo all of Raining's sentiments, I think alot of people think sadness is depression and don't realise, you just do not know or understand it until you get it, and I also think the best thing(no matter how hard it is or seems) is to just keep going and keep active. It's a big downward spiral, don't get caught in it and fight as hard as you can to get out, do things, actually physically get out and about, even if it's something as pointless as going for a walk outside. If there's something that's bothering you alot, causing the depression, STOP thinking about it, if you find yourself doing so immediately do something to distract yourself, think of something else, preferably something good, but if you can't think of that just think of anything that isn't the problem. Of course, all this is much easier said than done, but the worst thing you can do is ruminate upon things, I think.

Though at the same time, sometimes it helps to talk about the issues, maybe to just get them out there, or to know someone else knows what you're going through whilst you do. I think talking too long and too much however, will get you hung up on the issue, and at some point you will need to stop and let go. I think alot of the time people talk about their problems with a vain hope of it magically finding them a solution, generally when things are beyond their control. Some people get stuck in that and don't move on though, which perpetuates the rumination.

Anyway, on that note, I was going to say that I know things can get rough sometimes and it helps to have an ear, so if anyone ever wants one I'm usually around and happy to oblige, just drop me a PM :)

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Again, a bit of a bump from me, but this thread really took my interest recently. I totally want to echo all of Raining's sentiments, I think alot of people think sadness is depression and don't realise, you just do not know or understand it until you get it, and I also think the best thing(no matter how hard it is or seems) is to just keep going and keep active. It's a big downward spiral, don't get caught in it and fight as hard as you can to get out, do things, actually physically get out and about, even if it's something as pointless as going for a walk outside. If there's something that's bothering you alot, causing the depression, STOP thinking about it, if you find yourself doing so immediately do something to distract yourself, think of something else, preferably something good, but if you can't think of that just think of anything that isn't the problem. Of course, all this is much easier said than done, but the worst thing you can do is ruminate upon things, I think.

Though at the same time, sometimes it helps to talk about the issues, maybe to just get them out there, or to know someone else knows what you're going through whilst you do. I think talking too long and too much however, will get you hung up on the issue, and at some point you will need to stop and let go. I think alot of the time people talk about their problems with a vain hope of it magically finding them a solution, generally when things are beyond their control. Some people get stuck in that and don't move on though, which perpetuates the rumination.

Anyway, on that note, I was going to say that I know things can get rough sometimes and it helps to have an ear, so if anyone ever wants one I'm usually around and happy to oblige, just drop me a PM :)

 

Absolutely (especially the bolded parts). It takes an incredibly strong person to pull themselves out of realy depression. Real depression isn't sadness you get over in a week. Its pretty much long term.

 

My workmate had a really bad day today, shes got a serious case of bipolar disorder. Such a lovely girl. We chatted today about how she felt, and she thinks she might need to speak to a therapist. I think its good for friends to be there for each other, depression or not.

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